Editorial by Dave Hayes
Editors note: As a longtime (and storied) proponent of unfettered free speech, Dave Hayes has participated in more than his share of flame wars. But according to his Freedom Knights site, that’s OK.
Hayes also gives the greenlight to voluminous posting, spam, excessive cross-posting, off-topic posting and apparently, voluminous use of obscenities. Evildoers are those who censor or otherwise fetter communications, including ISPs who use anti-spam filters to limit spam, and those Islands in the Internet Stream where flaming is verboten. (I must be doubly heinous, since my company builds trimMail anti-spam appliances, and I bust flamers and censor obscenities on EB.)
Case in point: When I received this submission labeled “Editorial,” I dropped a courtesy email to Hayes to confirm that this was indeed posted by Himself. The icey lack of reply tells me that my courtesy was interpreted as censorship. My conclusion: If this screed was not produced by Dave Hayes, my apologies. But it sure as heck sounds like him.
Let me know what you think…
Many folks have asked me why I stopped “contributing” to the everlasting debates in NANA (news.admin.net-abuse.*). I generally respond with something along the lines of “I don’t wish to become that which I oppose”. Indeed, recently I’ve “plonked” several entities (among them the terrorists known as “spamhaus” and “spews”) simply because I no longer wish to beat my head against the stone wall of ignorance.
Terrorists? Yes that’s right. One definition of “terrorism” is “attacking innocents in the name of your cause”. Nowhere is this more ironic and extreme than in the deeds of my old nemesi, the anti-spammer zealotry collective, some of whom are now known as spamhaus and spews. The terrorism they practice is implemented in the form of “mail blacklists”.
Blacklists are not a new notion. In the 1950’s, the infamous McCarthy blacklists contained names of “possible communists”, which ultimately led us to a more sterile culture.
The social costs of what came to be called McCarthyism have yet to be computed. By conferring its prestige on the red hunt, the state did more than bring misery to the lives of hundreds of thousands of Communists, former Communists, fellow travelers, and unlucky liberals. It weakened American culture and it weakened itself. _Victor Navasky, Naming Names (New York: Viking Press, 1980)
Modern internet technology has created our own version(s) of social blacklists. Many anti-spam zealots have turned to this method for freeing their mailboxes from spam. Simply expressed, these organizations maintain databases which are supposed to contain the IP addresses of known spammers. They then provide these databases to various electronic mail servers, so that the servers can reject email based on what’s in these databases.
The bottom line is, if the machine that sends your email is on this list, a number of mail servers will automatically reject all email from your server.
If (and only if) they restricted these blacklists to actual spammers, I doubt very seriously that I would have problem with this practice. If we could trust human beings to maintain a logical and calm viewpoint about life, I doubt that I would have a problem with these blacklists. Unfortunately we cannot trust these things in either case.
Fact: Spamhaus and spews have added innocent IP blocks to their blacklists.
The anti-spammer idealotry goes like this: “Anyone who gets service from a network friendly to spammers is supporting the spammers and therefore our enemy.” (The friend of my enemy is my enemy too?)
So here’s how this goes. Once a network provider is branded “a communist”_er excuse me_”a spammer”, ALL of their IP ranges are blocked. Typically a network provider is providing services for smaller service providers, many of whom would never and have never engaged in spamming of any kind. No notice is really given on these blacklisting events, rather you find out when mail starts bouncing to some destination. Usually an end customer is the first to notice, and that customers is directed by the bounce to complain to_their own ISP!
In essence, the customer is tricked into presenting the terrorist anti-spam agenda to the ISP. The ISP turns around and finds out that -their- provider (or provider’s provider) is what the anti-spam zealots want “silenced”. Until that target complies with their arbitrary agenda (usually of the form “stop spamming”, but this is not always true_see below), everyone else has to suffer with electronic mail blocks.
What’s wrong with this? Everything.
First and foremost, the most often heard reason anti-spammers are so rabid about anti-spam is “it makes electronic mail unusable for average people”. If this is true, then how does blocking innocent email help this situation? In fact, blacklisting innocents contributes to the problem. The hypocrisy here is so thick I doubt even a knife can cut it.
The dishonor of the practice of blacklists is amazing. Many naive internet mail administrators add blacklists like spamhaus “because they work to reduce spam”. Lots of these sites have no idea that they are being cut off from legitimate email because of these machinations. If their customers really knew that they were cutoff, I wonder how many would still buy service? Getting rid of spam is one thing, blocking that key business email that means $100K in sales is quite another.
Lets take this one step further. Person A buys email service from ISP X who is using Spamhaus to block spam email. Person A’s daughter, who’s income is very low due to being a student in college, buys email service from ISP Y (because it’s cheap) who uses IAP S as their connectivity. ISP Y buys network from IAP S because it’s cheap. Due to real life constraints, the only contact Person A has with their daughter is email.
IAP S suddenly gets put on the anti-spam master blacklist. The same day, Person A’s daughter has a car accident. A roommate desperately tries to send email to Person A but it’s blocked. Worse, it’s blocked because these zealots have an idealogical cause which is set up to be more important than a person’s life. This is the height of dishonor.
The practice is quite criminal by many definitions and with criminals on all sides:
- Any ISP that is blocked is told to “comply with our demands or be blacklisted” (a.k.a. extortion).
- Attacking innocents in the name of their cause (a.k.a. terrorism).
- Since the control of the blacklist is out of the hands of the service provider who subscribes to it, by law you must clearly state “random people may be blocked to your email box by other people who are not under our control” before selling “email services”. I’ve never seen this stated on any ISP ad. (a.k.a false advertising)
- Blacklisting ISPs is a good way of knocking them out of business (a.k.a restraint of trade)
- If spam ever goes away, these organizations will also. Thus they have a vested interest in keeping spam alive (a.k.a playing both sides of the street)
Do note that the anti-spammers claim these practices are not criminal and will “reduce economic support for the ’spam friendly’ ISPs”. This claim is quite erroneous:
Fact: Spammer companies have far more money than most innocents.
Yep, to the tune of millions of dollars per month. SPAM is big business. Do you think that the income of one little ISP with 1000 customers is going to make any difference against the large income of a spam company? No! All that does is clear more bandwidth for the spammers to use, should the little ISP cave in and switch to another provider.
While there’s no proof (that I’m aware of), it’s not so far fetched to open up questions of collusion between “the providers that are anti-spam” and the “anti-spam blacklists”. Certain providers, to compete, may pay the blacklist groups lots of money to keep attacking innocents, which gets them more customers in the long run as ISPs fold because they cant afford the connectivity provided by the “anti-spam supporter” providers.
I’ve established some things here:
- In my opinion, blacklists are bad.
- The anti-spammers are resorting to clearly criminal activities to further their goals: extortion, restraint-of-trade, terrorism.
- The effect the anti-spammers are trying to have by blocking innocents only works to destroy email connectivity, the cure is worse than the disease.
This brings me to my concluding point. The original complaint against spammers included accusations of being criminal. Most spammers are considered criminal. Yet look at the anti-spammers! In their undying eternal zeal to end spam, they have become just what they oppose! Criminals and email destroyers. Gee, isn’t this what they call the spammers?
The aware person realizes that fighting something only makes it stronger. Indeed, when you see two people rabidly on one side or the other, it’s very hard to distinguish the two. They almost appear to be the same person, willing to commit any atrocity for the sake of their ideology or economics. What more do I need to know?
So, in a roundabout way, that’s why I don’t participate. I’ve done my days of tilting at windmills. I’ve presented my pearls, but the swine didn’t hear any of them. They’ve misrepresented my position countless times for their own agendas, failed to understand even the most basic of the concepts I’ve explained, and twisted what I’ve said to make me out to be something I am not. (”Spam supporter”_lol)
I have finally realized that it has less to do with the ability to understand, it’s mostly that they are not willing to understand. So in that climate I should once again venture forth into that primal never-ending argumentia that is NANA?
No. I’m sorry. I have far better things to do.
Related Story: Spamhaus, SpamCop Dissed By NTsecurity; Email Battles, 17 November 2004.

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August 23rd, 2006 at 1:54 am
Anonymous
Is anyone at emailbattles.com aware that Dave Hayes is a kook laughed off Usenet for years? How credible does this ‘article’ make emailbattles.com look? You look like idiots when you publish the rantings of kooks as if they were “news” like this. Get a grip on reality emailbattles.com!
August 23rd, 2006 at 8:38 am
Jim
Oh brother. I was waiting for the mention of black helicopters and Area 51!
August 23rd, 2006 at 1:02 pm
BJ Gillette
Hi Anonymous.
Please re-read… carefully… from the top of the post, then get back to me.
Can we lighten up around here, just a tad?
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:06 pm
another anonymous
William Stanley is posting that rant from Dave Hayes all over the place, and he’s certainly who passed it along to you, too. Stanley is a ROKSO spammer, and until a few days ago his “ironserver.com” website offered offshore bulletproof bulk-friendly hosting and other spam services. He burned through scores of hosts for it over the past month or so, and has been having tantrums in NANAE about the evil Spamhaus. He seems to have tired of host-hopping, so he’s changed ironserver’s content to that Hayes piece. You can find a lot of Stanley’s NANAE posts where he spoofs Steve Linford’s name in the From. He also has heavily blog-spammed his tantrum, resulting in whacky search engine results (he’s a “SEO” spammer, too), and his vandalism at Wikipedia resulted in lock-downs of some articles there. You should be able to confirm all of that independently.
Hayes published his rant in 2004 while hosting his server on OC3 Networks (who have since cleaned the spammers off their network who were probably causing the problems he alludes to), as you can see here: http://www.jetcafe.org/dave/usenet/dheditorial6.html . Stanley has conveniently omitted the last line of Hayes’ piece: “Editorial Copyright (c) 2004, Dave Hayes. All rights reserved. Reproduction without permission is done only by your dishonor.”
‘nuf said.
August 23rd, 2006 at 5:01 pm
BJ Gillette
Waitaminnit.
Are you telling me this guy is serious?
Oh… My… Gosh… What have I done?
SPECIAL NOTE TO Anonymous I & II.
I’m afraid you’ve mistaken the EB community for a bunch of rantin’ ravin’ gullible lunatics, instead of folks who richly enjoy a good joke… especially when it was not intended as such by the original author.
I doubt that many here needed the bio to understand the message.
Like I said before… Lighten up. This stuff is precious.
August 24th, 2006 at 4:16 am
Bill Stanley
Why dont you ask Steve Linford why he has killed Spamhaussucks.com no less than 20 times. blacklisting into submission any host I put it on?
These Internet Terrorists list mail servers and IPs that they know are not spam sources. But they blacklist them anyway to reach their goals. This is, strictly speaking, terrorism: harming innocent people as a way to pressure some central authority into doing what you want is the embodiment terrorism. Spamhaus lists Ip addresses in ever escalating blocks to force hosting companies and ISPs to shut off service to whomever then deem is not worthy to be on the Internet.
The innocent people whose mail got blocked as a result of this kind of criminal act are not “collateral damage.” they are not harmed by accident. Spamhaus Intentionally harms these innocent people to put pressure on their ISP to further their goals
Power has corrupted Steve Linford and Spamhaus anti-spam vigilantes. They are not following any rules whatsoever and will go as far as block IPs from sysadmins that are rude to them for sending constant relentless emails trying to force them to bend to their will.
This is the same kind of tactic that gradually brought MAPS into disrepute. Most mail server administrators dropped their list and switched to another blacklist. that blacklist was Spamhaus SBL but now they are more corrupted than MAPS ever was.
Corruption is the inevitable failing of blacklists. Unlike filters, theyre run by humans. And humans are all too likely to abuse the kind of power that blacklists embody. Steve Linford and the Spamhaus SBL is a perfect example of this. Only needs to read the nonsense that goes on at their meeting place http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.email/ to get the idea that it is time to ditch this group of lunatics. Here you will find examples of Linford bragging he can shut any host in the world.
It is time to say no to this kind of Abuse and Terrorisim. Do not use the Spamhaus SBL. If must use a Blacklist at all the same list Spamhaus misrepresents as their SBl is freely available at http://cbl.abuseat.org
August 24th, 2006 at 5:13 am
Bill Stanley
oh yes one other thing. BJ Gillette get ready. Spamhaus is going to be gunning for you for writing this. you can see by the posts above they are already up in arms. You will be labled the newest KooK and attacked relentlessly by the Spamhaus terrorist vigilantes. they will probably threaten your host into removeing this.
here is his original
http://www.jetcafe.org/dave/usenet/dheditorial6.html
August 24th, 2006 at 8:37 am
Anonymous
A quick search in google under the keyphrase “Spamhaus Terrorists” reveals Dave Hayes and William Stanley are not the only ones with this line of thinking. According to NCIAA Steve Linford and Spamhaus are now under United States FBI Investagation.
August 24th, 2006 at 5:29 pm
J.D.
It’s a shame that the Email Battles folks don’t bother with even the most basic of fact-checking (like a simple search query), but this still seems like a good time to pull out this old FAQ, untouched since 1996:
http://www.cybernothing.org/faqs/dave-hayes.html
As for that silly “Anonymous” above, I’ve seen Spamhaus folks and officials from dozens of government agencies all on the same conference agenda — and no arrests were made.
August 24th, 2006 at 6:00 pm
BJ Gillette
Did any of you bother to read my prologue? By my reading, Email Battles & BJ Gillette are Public Enemy Number Two, right behind Spamhaus.
Unlike J.D., Anon I, Anon II, et al, I choose to chuckle.
If you people could manage to remove your heads from your derrierres, you might see the humor in this.
August 24th, 2006 at 7:17 pm
Bill Stanley
Yes BJ, Declare your allegiance to Spamhaus and the great war on spam or face their Rath. ahhhh to late. these Zealots are to blind to see that you “Qualified” Dave Hayes.
August 24th, 2006 at 9:27 pm
BJ Gillette
Hi Bill.
My allegiance is to any and all who attempt to be 100% rational.
On your side, the fact that I understand an ISP’s need to keep his/her customers happy makes me a force of evil. (I also censor ill-behaved posters.)
On J.D. et al’s side, I’m either rotten or stupid, because I aired the rant.
I aired the rant for my readers, not you, or Hayes, or Spamhaus. I found much of it to be single sided and funny. Any positive points were subsumed by the wilder parts.
Unfortunately, your adversaries have displayed an equal tendancy toward childish hip shooting. Both sides have had plenty of space to expose themselves to EB readers. And both have acquitted themselves poorly.
Mark my words… The Internet is forever. Every word you’ve written will be archived somewhere. Some day, every sane man-jack among you will wish you had been more circumspect.
And believe me, many of you will return to sanity… some day.
As for EB… I don’t need to prove my credentials to any of you. I’m against over-zealous blacklisters, and I’ve long advised readers to use blacklists only as part of an overall scoring system, a la SpamAssassin.
I am 100% behind intelligent spam filtering, but I have personally witnessed nutcase ISPs who actually set their spam scoring too low, then auto-delete tagged messages instead of allowing users to quarantine them for review.
Hmmmm… So I guess it makes sense that you’d both be firing on me.
Thank you thank you thank you.
August 25th, 2006 at 1:56 am
Bill Stanley
Hi BJ. I am not firing on you in anyway if it it sounded like that I am sorry. I am the first to understand when Spamhaus puts the pressure on. I normally do not get angry with the hosts that shut me for no reason other than me being against spamhaus and for owning SpamhausSUCKS.com , because I know they have a choice to shut me or lose all their clients. You know my thoughts about spamhaus so I do not have to go into that. I talk with admins from many Internet Service providers and they all say the same to me. We also hate spamhaus but they have the power to kill us. Spamhaus is on the decline now for several reasons. the main one being Awareness and the fact that they blackmail admins. that leaves a bad taste in their mouths. Despite what many would say, I am a very sane and level person. I just cannot sit back and allow this group or any group to decide what is or what is not allowed on the Internet. This place is for all of us. A lot of times people ask me what they can do to help to stop the abuse by spamhaus and the answer is simple. post this article to blogs and message boards and email this article to friends.
http://www.jetcafe.org/dave/usenet/dheditorial6.html
I know what I am. I also know Dave Hayes is a Genius, history will show that.
August 25th, 2006 at 5:15 am
Never Anonymous
Why is anyone bothering to respond to BJ Gillette and Bill Stanley? They’re both spam supporters pretending to be ‘anti-spam’. BJ Gillette simply republishes idiocies written years ago, like this ‘Dave Hayes’ dribble written in 2004 and pushed to BJ Gillette by Bill Stanley on the pretence of it being somehow a vauge reality. BJ Gillette too stupid to see the spammer feeding him the dribble, then goes on to defend his dribble. But it’s all free speech so, even spammers or spam-supporters like BJ Gillette can say what they like, no need to get in a lather about it.
Would anyone from Spamhaus even bother to come and look at this site or care what BJ Gillette says? I don’t think so.
August 25th, 2006 at 8:02 am
BJ Gillette
Hi Never Anonymous.
Now I’ve seen everything.
I’m a spammer? Now I’ve seen everything.
Unlike you, I have put my money on the line, building a line of anti-spam appliances. I’m killing spam… and spammers… in almost every industrialized nation on earth.
As I said above, I have seen both smart use of black lists and dumb. I’ve also seen more than my share of loud-mouthed, hit-and-run children, and I am getting dangerously close to turning off comments on a thread for the first time in EB’s history.
For The Record: I do not, and never have, considered Spamhaus to be a terrorist organization, or anything approaching that. When Spamhaus has engaged in something that caught my eye… good or bad… I’ve covered it. And I frequently link to Spamhaus pages.
Blacklists are a critical component in the anti-spam equation, along with bayesian, rules, variations of grey-listing, and other techniques. Using one method to the exclusion of all others may be detrimental to message delivery.
This position is shared by the vast majority of the anti-spam community. It does not appear to be shared by either pole of this tempest-in-a-teapot.
So who’s the extremist?
I think dispassionate readers are smart enough to figure that out.
August 25th, 2006 at 2:38 pm
Rev Egg Plant
Mr. Gillette,
Mr. Stanley can easily be investigated for his odd behavior on the news.admin.net-abuse.email newsgroup. You’ll see him there spamming thousands of messages that purport to be from Steve Linford, spewing rhetoric that Spamhaus is somehow a criminal organization out to block all email and destroy the Internet. He hides behind European hosts, and his employers at Lumbermax.com, who provide him with DNS for his ironserver.com domain registration, tell people that he’s now living in Austria. My own personal belief is that Mr. Stanley is living in Texas and is committing multiple levels of fraud to retain his anonymity. Of course, I could be wrong.
I would not call Mr. Stanley a reasonable man based on his behavior on news.admin.net-abuse.email. That you were suckered in by his post of Dave Hayes’ old article only shows that you lack a little bit in the area of performing due diligence, and I’m certain his email didn’t come addressed from Stanley himself, so was easily taken for granted that it was from a reliable source.
I would hope that you would no longer rely on Mr. Stanley for any credible information regarding Spamhaus, SPEWS, or email in general, when it has been shown that Mr. Stanley is providing bullet-proof hosting services to other spammers and net criminals. Just today I was bothered with an email from wssbill@yahoo.com repeating Mr. Hayes’ article, my only sin being a happy Spamhaus user and poster to nanae. Personally, I wish Mr. Stanley would take his fight back to Mr. Linford or Mr. Blasik, whoever runs that organization, and leave me and nanae the hell out of it.
Rev Eggplant
August 25th, 2006 at 2:59 pm
BJ Gillette
Hi Eggplant.
What makes any of you think I agree or “rely on Mr. Stanley for any credible information regarding Spamhaus, SPEWS, or email in general?”
What the heck are you people smoking?
August 28th, 2006 at 2:26 am
Anti-spammers are terrorists
Hi, how do I submit ‘Editorial’? A friend of mine is making up a great article on how Bin Laden funds all the anti-spammers including Spamhaus. I think the world should know that al the anti-spammers are terrorists and how Spamhaus is a terrorist training camp funded by the Russian mafia and Bin Landen.
Do I just email my article to emailbattles.com labeled “Editorial” and you print it for me? Obviously you have to keep my name secret or Spamhaus will hire a hit man to get me.
August 28th, 2006 at 8:55 am
BJ Gillette
Hi Anti.
If your post is outrageous enough to hit my funny bone, you bet.
Of course, from the reaction you can see to this article, it’s obvious that my prologues will have to slog through your post in heavy detail, so the less witted can somehow sniff the silliness.
From the reactions I’ve seen here, Bin Laden may not be clear enough. Perhaps a teamup of Bin Laden with Lex Luthor will do it…
As to the poster, check my prologue.
If I were on the Spamhaus crew, I’d post the Hayes copy anywhere and everywhere possible. It says nothing about Spamhaus, and everything about the poster… plus, it’s unintentionally scary/hilarious.
What more could Spamhaus ask? The only way Spamhaus loses to that copy, is by reacting with anything beyond a belly laugh.
August 29th, 2006 at 2:13 am
Bill Stanley
BJ you are really kissing their asses now backpeddle baby
August 29th, 2006 at 11:54 am
Jerry
I coulnd’t agree more with everything Dave Hayes said in his editorial. I am one of those innocent victims of the Spamhaus blacklist. Those jerks blacklisted a /21 block of addresses including MINE …. even though I am not a spammer and I haven nothing to do with it. My company relies on e-mail for important communication to our valued customers. When our e-mail isn’t being delivered because of Spamhaus, I get a little upset.
When threatened with legal action, Spamhaus told me that there’s nothing illegal about maintaining a list of IP addresses. I was also told that others have tried to file lawsuits, but have failed.
I have since started a crusade for those of us that are innocent business people trying to make an honest living. Our business can’t survice without reliable delivery of VALID e-mail. Spamhaus is preventing us from communicating with our customers.
I’ve tried to get my IPs delisted, but according to Spamhaus only the ISP can do that. Have you ever tried getting a multi-billion dollar company to take the time to get a few IP addresses delisted? It’s not exactly on their to-do list. I’m still working on that.
If you’d like to be a part of this effort, please find a way to let me know. You can contact me at imnottoonice at yahoo.com.
Here’s what we’re doing:
1) Since my ISP is a VERY large provider with VERY deep pockets, I’m working with them to drag Spamhaus through the Courts and into submission.
2) I’m also doing the research with my legal team to see if “Restraint of Trade” laws apply in this case.
3) When our e-mail is being rejected by a mail server that uses Spamhaus blacklists, I’m contacting the providers directly to let them know about Spamhaus tactics and terrorism. I’m sure they have no idea that Spamhaus is preventing valid e-mail from being delivered.
I am not a spammer. I hate spam just as much as the next guy. However, I don’t think that Spamhaus has a clue and is out of touch with reality. I believe that their days are numbered, so I’m doing all that I can to make sure that happens sooner than later.
If anyone has any advice or relevant information, please let me know.
August 30th, 2006 at 3:41 pm
BJ Gillette
Hi Bill and Jerry.
Read every word I’ve written in these posts, and you’ll understand clearly what I think. But I’ll try to clarify.
Your problems with Spamhaus may be legitimate, but when you start calling them terrorists, you are mangling the english language, and diminishing the value of everything else you have to say.
Until Spamhaus blows up your homes, kidnaps your wives or murders your babies, you might want to choose another name for Spamhaus’ actions.
Frankly, neither side of this screamfest looks rational to those of us in the bleachers. You’re all so doggoned mad you can’t see straight, or listen to those who do.
September 1st, 2006 at 8:13 pm
Grumpy
BJ,
You’ve found that sweet spot on getting lots of comments that are of little value (perhaps this one too). I’ve never had a run in with Spamhaus, but I have been caught up in the SPEWS dolphin unsafe tuna nets a couple of times. I’ve found that when I get the complaint about it, usually phrased “you need to get your ISP to get you off the blacklist”, a reply along the lines of “since it was your ISP rejecting the email, you need to get them to put us on their whitelist.” It works rather well… not only does the complainant find out that their ISP is running a rather inattentive anti-spam operation, but they start to wonder about other email they’ve not received.
I do have to admit, nobody’s been hurt nor have has any property been destroyed. Though I have often had the urge to severely pummel some of the people responsible for sending email my way, that really is a matter unrelated to spam.
Keep speaking truth-to-power and all that, and we’ll keep chortling.
September 2nd, 2006 at 1:34 pm
BJ
Hi Grumpy.
I’m with you, 100%… but this was one of those sweet spots I would have preferred avoiding.
Can’t win ‘em all.
September 15th, 2006 at 1:19 pm
bill Stanley
U.S. Federal Court Orders Steve Linford of Spamhaus.org To Pay $11.7 Million In Damages For Illegal Blacklisting.
September 13, 2006 - Judge Charles P. Kocoras grants e360’s motion
YOU could be liable for damages for using Spamhaus Illegal Blacklisting and or
Using Information provided by spamhaus to close or deny service!
This also includes bowing to Blackmail tactics used by Spamhaus
Summary of the Federal Court’s Judgment in this matter:
1. Spamhaus is ordered to pay $11.7 million in compensatory damages to
e360Insight.
2. The Court issued a permanent injunction as follows:
- Spamhaus shall not take any action to cause email sent by Plaintiffs
or their affiliates,
subsidiaries, or related companies owned or controlled by Plaintiffs to
be blocked, delayed,
altered, or interrupted in any way (including, without limitation, by
listing Plaintiffs on Spamhaus’s ROKSO list, within an SBL listing on
Spamhaus’s website, using blacklisting
technology in concert or conjunction with others, or taking any other
action to cause any such interference) unless Spamhaus can demonstrate
by clear and convincing evidence that Plaintiffs have violated relevant
United States law. Such clear and convincing evidence may only be shown
after proving Plaintiffs with an opportunity to review any alleged
offending email, including a review of the email header and content (in
its entirety), and providing Plaintiffs with an opportunity to show the
offending email was not sent in violation of United States law to the
satisfaction of a reasonable person. If such clear and convincing
evidence is shown, then and only then may Spamhaus list the Internet
Protocol (IP) address, and only the IP address, from which the
offending email was sent on its website.
- Spamhaus shall not list entire networks or ranges of IP addresses
owned or operated
by Plaintiffs simply because they are registered in the Plaintiffs’
names or physical addresses
without meeting the clear and convincing standard for the IP address in
question.
- Spamhaus shall post, within five business days of the date of this
order, on its website
at both the main home page and at the ROKSO jump page, a message of 1
inch by 1 inch, the text of which is to be reasonably approved by
Plaintiffs, and which, generally, indicates that Plaintiffs were
erroneously listed on the website as spammers and that Plaintiffs are
not spammers. Defendant Spamhaus shall leave such message on its site
for a period of six months.
- Spamhaus shall not contact or cause others to contact any customers
or suppliers of the
Plaintiffs in efforts to cause said customers or suppliers to cease
doing business with Plaintiffs.
- Spamhaus shall not contact or cause others to contact any customers
or suppliers of Plaintiffs and allege or assert that Plaintiffs are
spammers or other like term.
A complete Case History including all evidence and documentation can be
found at www.e360insight.com. This site includes all documents as they
were submitted to the Court.
This ruling confirms e360insight’s position that Spamhaus.org is a
fanatical, vigilante organization that operates in the United States
with blatant disregard for U.S. law. In addition, e360insight has
proven that Spamhaus routinely exposes their customers and volunteers
to extreme legal risk by continuing to engage in illegal blacklisting,
defamation, extortion and blackmail in the name of fighting spam.
September 17th, 2006 at 2:31 am
terrorist
Spammer William Stanley apparently spammed that exact same “U.S. Federal Court Orders Steve Linford of Spamhaus.org To Pay $11.7 Million” rant to thousands of ISPs yesterday threatening them that “You will be next if you use Spamhaus”.
Nice to see Emailbattles publish Stanley’s rant too.
September 19th, 2006 at 10:31 pm
Maryann
…. and got booted from ev1 for his troubles. He spammed his ISP’s role accounts, no less. You got to wonder about someone who gets mail addy’s from CD’s.
September 27th, 2006 at 5:49 pm
ISP Abuse Admin
I found this thread after searching for wssbill@yahoo.com on google, after I got an email in my abuse inbox relating to a lawsuit against Spamhaus. I found this pretty funny, since a spammer sent a spam email to me, in my anti-spam abuse inbox, about fighting against anti-spam groups.
Spam is as big a threat to the Internet as anything out there,
There are a few things Mr. Stanley and Mr. Hayes fail to take into consideration, or conveniently fail to mention…
As an ISP - I choose wether or not I want to use blacklists
As an ISP - I choose wehter or not I want to host spammers
As a USER - I choose my ISP
As a SPAMMER - I do everything I can to take those choices away from users and hosts so that my unwelcome message will be heard by all.
The Internet is perhpas the only real democracy left out there, if I like your service, I use it, if not, I have other options, if enough peope elect to use your service, you stay in business, if not, you have to seek other work. And our options become more and more with each day that goes by. If Spamhaus was as reckless as is claimed by people on that side of the fence, ISP’s would not use it (just as many have elected not to reject based on SPEWS or SORBS since they seem to list nothing smaller than a /24 netblock) Spamhaus and Spamcop bock the IP addresses spam comes from not the entire /24 and not the entire ISP, they then contact the owner of the IP space under their abuse contact to let them know why - if the ISP complies the blacklist entry is removed. If an ISP habitually hosts spammers, I hope all their IP space is blacklisted by everyone on the planet - why? Because these bastards are profitting off of my suffering, while I turn away millions of dollars in business for the sake of being ethical?
I work for a sizeable hosting company, I deal with the people at Spamhaus on a regular basis, and I kick spammers off my network daily. That is my choice, the thousands of emails I am bombarded with every day that have nothing to do with my work or my interests are not my choice. If left to their own devices spammers would just continuously push terabytes of unwanted email all day every day until either the internet stopped working or someone (Like Spamhaus) did something about it.
Who is the real promoter of freedom of speech here?
January 7th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
betty
I agree with you fully. Spamhaus is nothing more than a terrorist organization, and the guy who operates it is as nuts as the unibomber. People blindly think this organization helps stop spam and is ethical. It doesn’t and it isn’t! It only ruins small legitimate web companies that get on their bad list. This is not the way to stop spam.
I worked for a web company that Spamhaus harrassed a few years ago. The head at Spamhaus kept accusing the company of stuff they didn’t do and of having associations with spammers whom they never even knew and he drove the company into the ground by getting their email blocked all over the net. His accusations ultimately resulted in the company’s demise, the loss of my job, and the foreclosure of my home.
Now, I see that I’m on some kind of a block list, and I’ve never sent spam in my life. I have a small membership based graphics design business, and now, I can’t get my emails to my customers. That’s totally crazy. And I don’t see why Yahoo and other major sites bow down to this insane organization.
I’m just waiting for someone to sue the hell of out them for their illegal practices, which is clearly a violation of American rights. I would love to see them hit with a major class action lawsuit.