Comments on: Free Muni-Wireless. What’s A Small Town To Do? (After Wireless Task Force Meeting 2) http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/ Spam, Security, Privacy, Spyware, Phishing & Viruses from the Front Lines. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:53:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Jake M http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1501 Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:08:30 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1501 If the cities partners with a local ISP I think they would go far. I do know there is free wireless at the airport. In fact this is the only airport I know with free service. I always see laptops at the gate. If the cities partners with a local ISP I think they would go far.

I do know there is free wireless at the airport. In fact this is the only airport I know with free service. I always see laptops at the gate.

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by: BJ Gillette http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1277 Sat, 29 Jul 2006 01:11:02 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1277 Hi John. Our committee is tasked with focusing on the value of free municipal wireless from an economic development perspective. But after reading the socially-oriented comments, you got me thinking. Where's the need? What portion of that need is appropriate for our city to fill? Can we do it without tapping the taxpayers? I <i>think</i> the answer is Yes. Yes. Yes. I posted the start of my framework in <a href="http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/28/free-census-bureau-data-leads-to-a-big-idea-for-closing-the-digital-divide-locally/" rel="nofollow"> Free Census Bureau Data Leads to a Big Idea for Closing the Digital Divide Locally</a>. I'm looking forward to your input. Hi John.
Our committee is tasked with focusing on the value of free municipal wireless from an economic development perspective.

But after reading the socially-oriented comments, you got me thinking. Where’s the need? What portion of that need is appropriate for our city to fill? Can we do it without tapping the taxpayers?

I think the answer is Yes. Yes. Yes.

I posted the start of my framework in Free Census Bureau Data Leads to a Big Idea for Closing the Digital Divide Locally.

I’m looking forward to your input.

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by: john http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1264 Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:32:58 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1264 Be careful to take advice from someone with an interest in wiring up municipalities. Economic development shouldn't be the prime reason to start a municipal service unless businesses will foot the bill and not taxpayers. This begs the question then..why have the municipality install such a network in the first place? The answer is: for the people, stupid. I see some benefit to providing taxpayers with such a network namely small business can get on the net cheaply without added cost of hardware and rewiring. Mom and Pop businesses would gain the ability to advertise online via an online community bulletin board. Children will benefit as they will be able to be connected electronically to their schools. Town government can be made more efficent via online postings of news, minutes, etc. So now the question remains..you have a useful network for the people. How do you ensure everyone has a computer and the training to use such a network. It is those folks who either haven't the financial means or knowledge of the potential benefits of the internet who should be your primary target to get online. Be careful to take advice from someone with an interest in wiring up municipalities.
Economic development shouldn’t be the prime reason to start a municipal service unless businesses will foot the bill and not taxpayers. This begs the question then..why have the municipality install such a network in the first place? The answer is: for the people, stupid. I see some benefit to providing taxpayers with such a network namely small business can get on the net cheaply without added cost of hardware and rewiring. Mom and Pop businesses would gain the ability to advertise online via an online community bulletin board.
Children will benefit as they will be able to be connected electronically to their schools.
Town government can be made more efficent via online postings of news, minutes, etc.

So now the question remains..you have a useful network for the people. How do you ensure everyone has a computer and the training to use such a network. It is those folks who either haven’t the financial means or knowledge of the potential benefits of the internet who should be your primary target to get online.

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by: BJ Gillette http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1255 Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:48:49 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1255 Hi Tim. Beautifully wrought common sense. Any studies that you can point us to would be <i>much</i> appreciated. Hi Tim.
Beautifully wrought common sense. Any studies that you can point us to would be much appreciated.

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by: Jim http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1254 Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:41:38 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1254 A free municipal service is still not going to be free. There is no such thing as the "free public" internet. All these networks are owned by someone. Even if you build your own local network (which you will own) connecting all the local businesses and homes in town, you are still giong to have to pay transit fees to one of the monopolies to get them to take your traffic to their customers and to the rest of the world (unless you are big enough to get a peering agreement which you won't be). In turn, the monoplies will have to pay fees or have peering agreements with networks on the other end to deliver your traffic. You have to pay, one way or the other. I would rather just pay up front, knowing what I am getting, rather than hiding it in my taxes. A free municipal service is still not going to be free.

There is no such thing as the “free public” internet. All these networks are owned by someone. Even if you build your own local network (which you will own) connecting all the local businesses and homes in town, you are still giong to have to pay transit fees to one of the monopolies to get them to take your traffic to their customers and to the rest of the world (unless you are big enough to get a peering agreement which you won’t be). In turn, the monoplies will have to pay fees or have peering agreements with networks on the other end to deliver your traffic.

You have to pay, one way or the other. I would rather just pay up front, knowing what I am getting, rather than hiding it in my taxes.

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by: Tim Root http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1253 Wed, 26 Jul 2006 20:02:22 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1253 Compared to other muni telco projects wireless IS cheaper and easier to get done. The solutions are cheaper and easier for consumers too. But don’t forget, you get what you pay for (as a muni and as a customer using the service). The bandwidth is low for commercial use and the quality is usually low compared to wired solutions. As an Economic Development tool, wireless will not be a boon. Ask your business leaders, “Hey if we offered free or affordable WiFi, would you use it.” Consider the answers in this context, “Of those who said yes, are those the kinds of employers we’re trying to attract?” The bigger, primary, employers won’t use it. They will be concerned about security, reliabiltiy and performance. Municipalities, especially the big ones, often take the easy road. Lower financial risk, less political risk, higher likelihood of getting it done. etc. The bigger, better play is Fiber to the Premises. 100% of business owners big, small, primary employers, or not would say “YES” I would absolutely use a fiber optic connection if it was available and affordable. Working with a provider to bring Fiber to the Premises to Bettendorf would have an enormous impact on ED there. The impact from WiFi wouldn’t even be a blip comparatively. Tim Root Director of Community Development Brilliant Cities (www.brilliantcities.com) 612-230-3190 Compared to other muni telco projects wireless IS cheaper and easier to get done. The solutions are cheaper and easier for consumers too. But don’t forget, you get what you pay for (as a muni and as a customer using the service). The bandwidth is low for commercial use and the quality is usually low compared to wired solutions.

As an Economic Development tool, wireless will not be a boon. Ask your business leaders, “Hey if we offered free or affordable WiFi, would you use it.” Consider the answers in this context, “Of those who said yes, are those the kinds of employers we’re trying to attract?” The bigger, primary, employers won’t use it. They will be concerned about security, reliabiltiy and performance.

Municipalities, especially the big ones, often take the easy road. Lower financial risk, less political risk, higher likelihood of getting it done. etc.

The bigger, better play is Fiber to the Premises. 100% of business owners big, small, primary employers, or not would say “YES” I would absolutely use a fiber optic connection if it was available and affordable.

Working with a provider to bring Fiber to the Premises to Bettendorf would have an enormous impact on ED there. The impact from WiFi wouldn’t even be a blip comparatively.

Tim Root
Director of Community Development
Brilliant Cities (www.brilliantcities.com)
612-230-3190

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by: Ralph http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1252 Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:41:49 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1252 While it's no good to allow commercial ISPs to be the sole providers of so necessary a service as internet, today's options aren't exactly great. Fiber to the home is expensive, wifi is limited in speed and area coverage, and wimax is untested. While it’s no good to allow commercial ISPs to be the sole providers of so necessary a service as internet, today’s options aren’t exactly great. Fiber to the home is expensive, wifi is limited in speed and area coverage, and wimax is untested.

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by: john http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1242 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:28:08 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1242 "They’ll do it better, cheaper and faster than government. " When you are dealing with monolopies which are the telcos this is definitely NOT true. This town certainly can implement a solution which is to provide affordable internet access for all. This solution need not be physically installing a public network however such a network is not impossible. The option to build what private industry refuses to do without a huge markup should be open for debate for the people of the town. All costs should be fully forecasted in a transparent manner. Seriously, though a town network has that "cool" factor however maintenance is indeed expensive. Also legal issues could arise over content over the network. Who is responsible for the network security of a network that theoretically is owned by the town. Will the people even trust such a network that is literally in the hands of government. Do not underestimate the potential concerns from citizens over privacy and liability. “They’ll do it better, cheaper and faster than government. ”

When you are dealing with monolopies which are the telcos this is definitely NOT true. This town certainly can implement a solution which is to provide affordable internet access for all. This solution need not be physically installing a public network however such a network is not impossible. The option to build what private industry refuses to do without a huge markup should be open for debate for the people of the town. All costs should be fully forecasted in a transparent manner.

Seriously, though a town network has that “cool” factor however maintenance is indeed expensive. Also legal issues could arise over content over the network. Who is responsible for the network security of a network that theoretically is owned by the town. Will the people even trust such a network that is literally in the hands of government. Do not underestimate the potential concerns from citizens over privacy and liability.

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by: Mitch http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1240 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 17:37:18 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1240 Nothing is free. When government offers "free" wireless, the true cost is simply hidden among other taxes for "public services". With few exceptions, if it can be done by private industry, then let private industry do it. They'll do it better, cheaper and faster than government. Nothing is free. When government offers “free” wireless, the true cost is simply hidden among other taxes for “public services”. With few exceptions, if it can be done by private industry, then let private industry do it. They’ll do it better, cheaper and faster than government.

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by: Jon http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1239 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:58:35 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/07/24/free-muni-wireless-whats-a-small-town-to-do/#comment-1239 Think MESH!!! http://wifinetnews.com/archives/004766.html http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/news/article.php/3467651 You please the users AND the telcos (who keep some connections). Have the town subsidise some old PCs (what organisation *hasn't* got some sitting in a cupboard?) and ADSL/cable installs at key positions, and let the rest of the town take an active part ... Think MESH!!!
http://wifinetnews.com/archives/004766.html
http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/news/article.php/3467651

You please the users AND the telcos (who keep some connections).
Have the town subsidise some old PCs (what organisation *hasn’t* got some sitting in a cupboard?) and ADSL/cable installs at key positions, and let the rest of the town take an active part …

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