Comments on: Blue Frog Breaks 2005 Promise of No Innocent Victims http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/ Spam, Security, Privacy, Spyware, Phishing & Viruses from the Front Lines. Thu, 08 Jan 2009 13:52:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: BJ Gillette http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-834 Mon, 22 May 2006 09:25:14 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-834 @Marty. <br> RE: "I think it's clear your bread is buttered by spammers ... You deliberately spin your article negitivly for BS and outright lie about email DB being compromised." <br> <br> Sorry guy. We wrote, "The messages claimed that BS's user database had been penetrated, and that the email addresses of all BS clients would be released to the web within 2 days, which would result in a giant increase in spam received."<br> <br> Admittedly, it's a rather long sentence, which may be confusing you. Feel free to read the sentence as many times as necessary, till you can understand it.<br> <br> As to the "bread is buttered by spammers" silliness... We'll leave that judgement to those who are fully capable of making it.<br> <br> We frankly don't care if someone gins up another counter-DDoS crusade... as long as they don't drag innocent non-combatants into their war.<br> <br> Marty, if you're actually inundated with as much spam as you think, you may want to consider moving away from the giant, free email services to better-managed and better-protected waters.<br> <br> The move will probably be good for your blood pressure, too. @Marty.
RE: “I think it’s clear your bread is buttered by spammers … You deliberately spin your article negitivly for BS and outright lie about email DB being compromised.”

Sorry guy. We wrote, “The messages claimed that BS’s user database had been penetrated, and that the email addresses of all BS clients would be released to the web within 2 days, which would result in a giant increase in spam received.”

Admittedly, it’s a rather long sentence, which may be confusing you. Feel free to read the sentence as many times as necessary, till you can understand it.

As to the “bread is buttered by spammers” silliness… We’ll leave that judgement to those who are fully capable of making it.

We frankly don’t care if someone gins up another counter-DDoS crusade… as long as they don’t drag innocent non-combatants into their war.

Marty, if you’re actually inundated with as much spam as you think, you may want to consider moving away from the giant, free email services to better-managed and better-protected waters.

The move will probably be good for your blood pressure, too.

]]> by: Marty http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-833 Fri, 19 May 2006 18:28:09 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-833 This story kills me. I think it's clear your bread is buttered by spammers directly or indirectly. BS failed because they were not big enough. Spammers eat our bandwidth and crap up our inboxes. Suck our bandwidth and threaten us for joining an "opt out" community. Our government lifts not a finger and BS is trying to start a successful, moneymaking, much loved and needed service to the public. You deliberately spin your article negitivly for BS and outright lie about email DB being compromised. I can't wait for the next DDoS based opt-out program. I will be there and I will fight spammers. And idiots like you. This story kills me. I think it’s clear your bread is buttered by spammers directly or indirectly. BS failed because they were not big enough. Spammers eat our bandwidth and crap up our inboxes. Suck our bandwidth and threaten us for joining an “opt out” community. Our government lifts not a finger and BS is trying to start a successful, moneymaking, much loved and needed service to the public. You deliberately spin your article negitivly for BS and outright lie about email DB being compromised. I can’t wait for the next DDoS based opt-out program. I will be there and I will fight spammers. And idiots like you.

]]> by: Dan http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-832 Thu, 18 May 2006 08:20:56 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-832 rakslice: I think you're the one that's confused. The Email Battles article suggests that when you DoS spammers, it's possible that they'll retaliate (they're not nice), and collateral damage might result.<br> <br> That's exactly what happened to BS, and that's exactly why they've shuttered the outfit, as their letter-of-surrender clearly states: "We cannot take the responsibility for an ever-escalating cyber war through our continued operations."<br> <br> http://www.emailbattles.com/archive/battles/spam_aadghhdfbc_cg/ rakslice: I think you’re the one that’s confused. The Email Battles article suggests that when you DoS spammers, it’s possible that they’ll retaliate (they’re not nice), and collateral damage might result.

That’s exactly what happened to BS, and that’s exactly why they’ve shuttered the outfit, as their letter-of-surrender clearly states: “We cannot take the responsibility for an ever-escalating cyber war through our continued operations.”

http://www.emailbattles.com/archive/battles/spam_aadghhdfbc_cg/

]]> by: rakslice http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-831 Wed, 17 May 2006 17:13:03 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-831 >One can only wonder which "innocent third party" Aloni was referencing.<br> <br> The author of this article seems confused... The DDOS attack that affected Six Apart was the one that Blue Security was getting from an external third party; it didn't consist of opt-out messages from Blue Security's software. >One can only wonder which “innocent third party” Aloni was referencing.

The author of this article seems confused… The DDOS attack that affected Six Apart was the one that Blue Security was getting from an external third party; it didn’t consist of opt-out messages from Blue Security’s software.

]]> by: ken http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-830 Tue, 16 May 2006 02:09:35 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-830 Althought I signed up at BlueSecuiryt, I never install BlueFrog software. I did receive a rather threatening email this week that stated I would soon start receiving at 10 to 20 fold increase in spam because I was part of the criming gang at BlueSecurity. This is scary. It does confirm, however, that the user email list at Blue Secuirty was compromised. This is scary and sad. Althought I signed up at BlueSecuiryt, I never install BlueFrog software. I did receive a rather threatening email this week that stated I would soon start receiving at 10 to 20 fold increase in spam because I was part of the criming gang at BlueSecurity. This is scary. It does confirm, however, that the user email list at Blue Secuirty was compromised. This is scary and sad.

]]> by: Milt Findley http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-829 Sun, 14 May 2006 13:47:46 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-829 BS's attitude is my attitude. The real BS comes with several hundred unsolicited SPAM messages I get in a given month. I have every legal right to submit an opt out request to every one of these messages. I use the Frog to do so. This is my computer, my internet server, and my money and I am fed up with being inundated by junk mail.<br> <br> Use your bully pulpit to be part of the solution, not to put down the best idea to come along in a long time. BS’s attitude is my attitude. The real BS comes with several hundred unsolicited SPAM messages I get in a given month. I have every legal right to submit an opt out request to every one of these messages. I use the Frog to do so. This is my computer, my internet server, and my money and I am fed up with being inundated by junk mail.

Use your bully pulpit to be part of the solution, not to put down the best idea to come along in a long time.

]]> by: BJ Gillette http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-828 Wed, 10 May 2006 08:36:26 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-828 Todd Underwood, Chief Ops and Security Officer for Renesys, reviewed the entire fiasco and concluded that BS was subject to a plain old SYN flood DoS attack, and was simply cut off by his virtual host to limit damage. <br> <br> He dismissed Blue Security (BS) explanations of "Internet tampering" and "Blackhole Filtering" as such literal non-sense "that it's not even wrong yet." <br> <br> In following this story, Email Battles has tried to locate credible backers for BS contentions of black hole skullduggery. No luck.<br> <br> Where, oh where, are the recognized experts who think otherwise?<br> <br> Instead of insults, perhaps BS true believers could help the rest of us by pointing us to authorities who concur with BS theories, and who agree that, when you are under attack, it's OK to redirect the attack, and the attendant expenses, to an uninvolved third party.<br> <br> The rest of Planet Earth is obviously in the dark on this one.<br> <br> (http://www.trimmail.com/news/elsewhere/data/1147222922.69/) Todd Underwood, Chief Ops and Security Officer for Renesys, reviewed the entire fiasco and concluded that BS was subject to a plain old SYN flood DoS attack, and was simply cut off by his virtual host to limit damage.

He dismissed Blue Security (BS) explanations of “Internet tampering” and “Blackhole Filtering” as such literal non-sense “that it’s not even wrong yet.”

In following this story, Email Battles has tried to locate credible backers for BS contentions of black hole skullduggery. No luck.

Where, oh where, are the recognized experts who think otherwise?

Instead of insults, perhaps BS true believers could help the rest of us by pointing us to authorities who concur with BS theories, and who agree that, when you are under attack, it’s OK to redirect the attack, and the attendant expenses, to an uninvolved third party.

The rest of Planet Earth is obviously in the dark on this one.

(http://www.trimmail.com/news/elsewhere/data/1147222922.69/)

]]> by: jwc http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-827 Tue, 09 May 2006 21:40:10 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-827 frak, WHO knocked 10 million off the air. Let me get this striaght, BS started a DDOS attack on someone?<br> <br> What an idiot. IQs below 60 should be forbidden to use computers. frak, WHO knocked 10 million off the air. Let me get this striaght, BS started a DDOS attack on someone?

What an idiot. IQs below 60 should be forbidden to use computers.

]]> by: phrack http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-826 Mon, 08 May 2006 16:17:05 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-826 any of u blue screen tards know how to read? ur heroes knocked 10mil+ off the air cuz they turned scaredy cats. any of u blue screen tards know how to read? ur heroes knocked 10mil+ off the air cuz they turned scaredy cats.

]]> by: theory41 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-825 Mon, 08 May 2006 14:18:55 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/10/spam_aadfhfdhfj_ca/#comment-825 Will, the EFYTimes article is fantastic, as long as you're comfortable being spoon-fed press releases disguised as real news. Will, the EFYTimes article is fantastic, as long as you’re comfortable being spoon-fed press releases disguised as real news.

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