Comments on: Windows Guru Uses Linux To Push Windows http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/ Spam, Security, Privacy, Spyware, Phishing & Viruses from the Front Lines. Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:17:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: BJ Gillette http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/#comment-739 Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:30:10 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/#comment-739 When you think about it, Vlad's Linux work makes terrific sense:<br> 1. Microsoft says it's going to support mixed Windows/Linux networks. <br> 2. MVPs who don't roll up their sleeves and learn Linux may be left behind.<br> <br> Thus, Vlad's on the cutting edge of a crew that will feel free to select the best tool for any specific job.<br> <br> That will probably turn out to be a boon for MVPs, and a double-edged sword for Redmond. When you think about it, Vlad’s Linux work makes terrific sense:
1. Microsoft says it’s going to support mixed Windows/Linux networks.
2. MVPs who don’t roll up their sleeves and learn Linux may be left behind.

Thus, Vlad’s on the cutting edge of a crew that will feel free to select the best tool for any specific job.

That will probably turn out to be a boon for MVPs, and a double-edged sword for Redmond.

]]> by: Wortly Web Walker http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/#comment-738 Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:09:33 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/#comment-738 The thing you are not considering is that this is one of the best of the best. Vlad is not a beginner. Vlad actually knows more than one OS inside and out. Vlad is NOT typical.<br> <br> What you get with Winders iz thu ease of use and everything "in the box". What you simply DO NOT GET without paying $$ for is that in any totally free version of Linux.<br> <br> So you see, if you are totally a Linux OS nutcase, then you could with low TCO do this sort of thing, but without eons of experience you'd spin your wheels. I'll bet if Vlad measured his hours in dollars, then his TCO would be high. But for the 5-9's 99.999% who are LESS mental-OS Giants like Sir Vlad of Microsftie-ville you would get a huge time-factor, on top of the real cost of a non-free Linux OS.<br> <br> Granted it's getting better all the time. But I wounder if Vlad used a LAMM or LAMP stack?<br> <br> LAMM= Linux, Apache, MySql, Mono<br> LAMP= Linux, Apache, MySql, Python (or Perl or one of the other Ps)<br> <br> I bet he's using Mono to do CLR to the Winders Werld.<br> <br> Dan.Wygant.org, Senior dotNet Software Developer @ Trideum.com<br> 06' 05' 04 MVP Windows Server 2003 - Customer Experience<br> INeta.org (User Group) Membership Manager for Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana <br> Founding Board Member for Culminis.com<br> Founder VSdotNetUG.org HUNTUG.org<br> Founder HowToVS.Net SIG The thing you are not considering is that this is one of the best of the best. Vlad is not a beginner. Vlad actually knows more than one OS inside and out. Vlad is NOT typical.

What you get with Winders iz thu ease of use and everything “in the box”. What you simply DO NOT GET without paying $$ for is that in any totally free version of Linux.

So you see, if you are totally a Linux OS nutcase, then you could with low TCO do this sort of thing, but without eons of experience you’d spin your wheels. I’ll bet if Vlad measured his hours in dollars, then his TCO would be high. But for the 5-9’s 99.999% who are LESS mental-OS Giants like Sir Vlad of Microsftie-ville you would get a huge time-factor, on top of the real cost of a non-free Linux OS.

Granted it’s getting better all the time. But I wounder if Vlad used a LAMM or LAMP stack?

LAMM= Linux, Apache, MySql, Mono
LAMP= Linux, Apache, MySql, Python (or Perl or one of the other Ps)

I bet he’s using Mono to do CLR to the Winders Werld.

Dan.Wygant.org, Senior dotNet Software Developer @ Trideum.com
06′ 05′ 04 MVP Windows Server 2003 - Customer Experience
INeta.org (User Group) Membership Manager for Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana
Founding Board Member for Culminis.com
Founder VSdotNetUG.org HUNTUG.org
Founder HowToVS.Net SIG

]]> by: scott_R http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/#comment-737 Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:01:43 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/#comment-737 I still wonder how MS decided on the sales pitch, "You're too dim to use Linux, so use MS products instead". This guy's case isn't unusual, I know quite a few MS admins who run mostly F/OSS for their personal use. The usual reason for keeping their users on MS products is job security. No one wants to have to justify their employment, and MS bugs offer a constant reminder that these admins need to stick around. It's sad really, all the time spent on useless reinstallation-type work, instead of infrastructure improvements. I still wonder how MS decided on the sales pitch, “You’re too dim to use Linux, so use MS products instead”. This guy’s case isn’t unusual, I know quite a few MS admins who run mostly F/OSS for their personal use. The usual reason for keeping their users on MS products is job security. No one wants to have to justify their employment, and MS bugs offer a constant reminder that these admins need to stick around. It’s sad really, all the time spent on useless reinstallation-type work, instead of infrastructure improvements.

]]> by: Scott Alan Miller http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/#comment-736 Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:53:23 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/#comment-736 Although Microsoft does not offer their MVP's "free" software it does offer production software to its partners at fractional cost compared to commercial sales that is licensed to be used in situations such as this (the license is a little tricky but not bad.) Vlad is basically saying that Linux is cheaper for a Windows MVP to buy and manage than Windows is, even when the number of machines necessary would be available through the partner program at near zero cost (near zero is, of course, a relative term.)<br> <br> It has always been widely held that the lowest TCO was earned by the systems for which you have the most in-house expertise. I am not saying that Vlad does not have Linux/UNIX expertise but he obviously has Windows expertise in spades. What statement does this make about the cost/performance of Windows when it doesn't make financial sense in the strongest of Windows shops? Although Microsoft does not offer their MVP’s “free” software it does offer production software to its partners at fractional cost compared to commercial sales that is licensed to be used in situations such as this (the license is a little tricky but not bad.) Vlad is basically saying that Linux is cheaper for a Windows MVP to buy and manage than Windows is, even when the number of machines necessary would be available through the partner program at near zero cost (near zero is, of course, a relative term.)

It has always been widely held that the lowest TCO was earned by the systems for which you have the most in-house expertise. I am not saying that Vlad does not have Linux/UNIX expertise but he obviously has Windows expertise in spades. What statement does this make about the cost/performance of Windows when it doesn’t make financial sense in the strongest of Windows shops?

]]> by: leonardo http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/#comment-735 Wed, 19 Apr 2006 00:30:55 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/#comment-735 The saying goes something like this:<br> Do as I say, not as I do.<br> <br> I think its quite serious for someone promoting microsoft to do it over another platform, and worst of all, when this is at the server side.<br> <br> Its not the cost that made them use Linux, its the cost/benefit ratio, as in every sensible operation.<br> <br> Congrats Linux! You got one heck of a user. The saying goes something like this:
Do as I say, not as I do.

I think its quite serious for someone promoting microsoft to do it over another platform, and worst of all, when this is at the server side.

Its not the cost that made them use Linux, its the cost/benefit ratio, as in every sensible operation.

Congrats Linux! You got one heck of a user.

]]> by: BJ Gillette http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/#comment-734 Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:49:12 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/#comment-734 You know, I was just bragging to Vlad about how the changes to our site had brought off-topic comment spam to zero.<br> <br> And now you've gone and made a liar out of me.<br> <br> Guess I forgot to knock on wood. You know, I was just bragging to Vlad about how the changes to our site had brought off-topic comment spam to zero.

And now you’ve gone and made a liar out of me.

Guess I forgot to knock on wood.

]]> by: Mike Adams http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/#comment-733 Tue, 18 Apr 2006 19:20:43 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/18/opsys_aadechghcd_ae/#comment-733 Speaking of cable TV, did you know your TIVO runs Linux (http://www.tivo.com/linux/linux.asp)<br> <br> Google and Amazon also run Linux. Nuff said Speaking of cable TV, did you know your TIVO runs Linux (http://www.tivo.com/linux/linux.asp)

Google and Amazon also run Linux. Nuff said

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