Comments on: Why Yahoo Can’t Deliver Email http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/ Spam, Security, Privacy, Spyware, Phishing & Viruses from the Front Lines. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:39:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Phil http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-2276 Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:11:45 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-2276 I can't believe there are people who say they have no problem, therefore anyone else who says there's a problem must be wrong. For a dated analogy, if a huge number of Ford Pinto owners said their cars were falling apart or going up in flames but your Pinto hadn't done that yet, would you be saying the other owners were idiots or dishonest and the Pinto was a masterpiece of engineering technology? Or what do you expect, it was a cheap car? I hope you'd be more likely considering yourself lucky! I have a Yahoo account which I no longer use because I've had email I've sent not arrive and email I've been sent not arrive, nothing to do with settings, blocking, filters or anything like that. Just plain old email to and from friends and then email to and from myself as a test. This, for me is a total deal-breaker. I'm not alone, see this for example: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080815131104AAWwvq0 I also recently sent out a mass email to a list which included several Yahoo addresses. The Yahoo addresses all bounced back after a few days. My wife, who works at a church and also volunteers for another organization which emails to lists, says that that happens to her frequently. She says Hotmail is sometimes a problem but Yahoo is the worst. I can’t believe there are people who say they have no problem, therefore anyone else who says there’s a problem must be wrong. For a dated analogy, if a huge number of Ford Pinto owners said their cars were falling apart or going up in flames but your Pinto hadn’t done that yet, would you be saying the other owners were idiots or dishonest and the Pinto was a masterpiece of engineering technology? Or what do you expect, it was a cheap car? I hope you’d be more likely considering yourself lucky!
I have a Yahoo account which I no longer use because I’ve had email I’ve sent not arrive and email I’ve been sent not arrive, nothing to do with settings, blocking, filters or anything like that. Just plain old email to and from friends and then email to and from myself as a test. This, for me is a total deal-breaker. I’m not alone, see this for example: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080815131104AAWwvq0
I also recently sent out a mass email to a list which included several Yahoo addresses. The Yahoo addresses all bounced back after a few days. My wife, who works at a church and also volunteers for another organization which emails to lists, says that that happens to her frequently. She says Hotmail is sometimes a problem but Yahoo is the worst.

]]> by: janet http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-2165 Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:20:34 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-2165 why my email messagges can't deliver to the reciever? why my email messagges can’t deliver to the reciever?

]]> by: Mario http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-2033 Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:48:13 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-2033 My server is in a Faculty in an University. I've seen single mails go out allright but when I send mails to our mail lists Yahoo! begins giving the "deferred" errors, so it must be related to the quantity of emails in a minute. From the mail lists: Mar 25 16:08:40 localhost postfix/smtp[20840]: 867326F8163: to=, relay=c.mx.mail.yahoo.com[216.39.53.3]:25, delay=16644, delays=16592/8.3/26/18, dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host c.mx.mail.yahoo.com[216.39.53.3] said: 451 Message temporarily deferred - [170] (in reply to end of DATA command)) 8 minutes later to another account: Mar 25 16:15:58 localhost postfix/smtp[20928]: 0C7F86F80A2: to=, relay=e.mx.mail.yahoo.com[216.39.53.1]:25, delay=2.7, delays=0.28/0.01/1.4/1, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 ok dirdel) My server is in a Faculty in an University. I’ve seen single mails go out allright but when I send mails to our mail lists Yahoo! begins giving the “deferred” errors, so it must be related to the quantity of emails in a minute.

From the mail lists:

Mar 25 16:08:40 localhost postfix/smtp[20840]: 867326F8163: to=, relay=c.mx.mail.yahoo.com[216.39.53.3]:25, delay=16644, delays=16592/8.3/26/18, dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host c.mx.mail.yahoo.com[216.39.53.3] said: 451 Message temporarily deferred - [170] (in reply to end of DATA command))

8 minutes later to another account:

Mar 25 16:15:58 localhost postfix/smtp[20928]: 0C7F86F80A2: to=, relay=e.mx.mail.yahoo.com[216.39.53.1]:25, delay=2.7, delays=0.28/0.01/1.4/1, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 ok dirdel)

]]> by: tech filosofer http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-2019 Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:26:44 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-2019 not really caring about how all the back end tech stuff works at Yahoo email here are my results of the last 18 months of using three Yah email accounts some days when clicking on an inbox link I get a message "sorry for the inconvenience, temporary tech. problems blah blah, other stuff, try again later" hmmmmmm k, how about this; testing several times a week I find that emails may take from two minutes to over eight hours to move from one of my Yahoo acc to another one of my Yahoo acc. - happens quite often - hmmmmmmm Result of my high tech testing - Yahoo email delivery sucks - no matter what causes it. not really caring about how all the back end tech stuff works at Yahoo email here are my results of the last 18 months of using three Yah email accounts

some days when clicking on an inbox link I get a message “sorry for the inconvenience, temporary tech. problems blah blah, other stuff, try again later” hmmmmmm

k, how about this; testing several times a week I find that emails may take from two minutes to over eight hours to move from one of my Yahoo acc to another one of my Yahoo acc. - happens quite often - hmmmmmmm

Result of my high tech testing - Yahoo email delivery sucks - no matter what causes it.

]]> by: Jeff http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-2001 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:23:15 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-2001 As a responsible sysadmin looking after a number of mail systems, I was baffled then disbelieving at the 'anti-spam' measures that Yahoo has taken. Their poorly thought out mail policy is not only causing untold loss of earnings to legitimate businesses worldwide, but is also lowering the credibility of email as a message medium. (To say nothing of the misery it inflicts on it's own customers) As mentioned numerous times in this thread, mail to yahoo is delayed or never reaches recipients. Yahoo are wholly unresponsive to sysadmins and managers of responsible websites who request whitelisting. After many requests, they ask that a large 'bulk senders' form be completed, then don't respond for months, if at all. If Yahoo mail customers realised just how unreilable their mail service has become, there would be an mass exodus. As potential loss of profits is the only thing likely to make yahoo change their ridiculous policy, I suggest that anyone reading this contributes to the growing quantity of posts on the internet about yahoo's mail policy. Jeff As a responsible sysadmin looking after a number of mail systems, I was baffled then disbelieving at the ‘anti-spam’ measures that Yahoo has taken. Their poorly thought out mail policy is not only causing untold loss of earnings to legitimate businesses worldwide, but is also lowering the credibility of email as a message medium. (To say nothing of the misery it inflicts on it’s own customers)

As mentioned numerous times in this thread, mail to yahoo is delayed or never reaches recipients.

Yahoo are wholly unresponsive to sysadmins and managers of responsible websites who request whitelisting. After many requests, they ask that a large ‘bulk senders’ form be completed, then don’t respond for months, if at all.

If Yahoo mail customers realised just how unreilable their mail service has become, there would be an mass exodus. As potential loss of profits is the only thing likely to make yahoo change their ridiculous policy, I suggest that anyone reading this contributes to the growing quantity of posts on the internet about yahoo’s mail policy.

Jeff

]]> by: Ron T. http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-1968 Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:42:19 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-1968 I have experienced problems delivering mail to Yahoo! servers. My biggest issue is with thier grey listing. The company I work for maintains a mailing list of all customers that have signed up to recieve commercial emails. Our mailing list is CAN-SPAM compliant and by signup I mean these customers actually check a box and sign there name on a paper document if they wish to recieve these emails. The mailing list is small (20,000 or so) and not all of these addresses are Yahoo!. The issue begins when a bulk email is sent to customers on this list as a lot of them are using Yahoo! mail. After x number of emails delivered Yahoo! begins to defer all emails coming from our mail server and they will continue to defer them for days... yes I mean days. During this time if you are a customer using Yahoo! mail and are waiting for an email from an employee at our company, you will never receive that message as it too is greylisted (more like a temp blacklist imo). Messages are greylisted so long that they expire and drop from our mail servers queue... thats 3 days. I understand Yahoo! is a target of spammers, but my company is not in any way, shape, or form a spammer. Yahoo! needs to get a grip. I have experienced problems delivering mail to Yahoo! servers. My biggest issue is with thier grey listing. The company I work for maintains a mailing list of all customers that have signed up to recieve commercial emails. Our mailing list is CAN-SPAM compliant and by signup I mean these customers actually check a box and sign there name on a paper document if they wish to recieve these emails. The mailing list is small (20,000 or so) and not all of these addresses are Yahoo!.

The issue begins when a bulk email is sent to customers on this list as a lot of them are using Yahoo! mail. After x number of emails delivered Yahoo! begins to defer all emails coming from our mail server and they will continue to defer them for days… yes I mean days. During this time if you are a customer using Yahoo! mail and are waiting for an email from an employee at our company, you will never receive that message as it too is greylisted (more like a temp blacklist imo). Messages are greylisted so long that they expire and drop from our mail servers queue… thats 3 days.

I understand Yahoo! is a target of spammers, but my company is not in any way, shape, or form a spammer. Yahoo! needs to get a grip.

]]> by: Liviu http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-1967 Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:36:01 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-1967 I've been having big problems with Yahoo for about a month now. I run a website which, like many others, require new users to activate their account by email. Well, while all the users with a non-Yahoo email address have activated their account, only 25% of those with a Yahoo address have activated. The reason? They didn't receive the activation message. I don't know about you but for me this is very very bad. More than half of my users have their email address at Yahoo, and this means I'm losing a LOT of new members. I am really surprised this isn't more talked about. I will advise my users to use a Gmail or Hotmail account instead of Yahoo and I suggest you do the same. Thanks and Merry Christmas! :) I’ve been having big problems with Yahoo for about a month now. I run a website which, like many others, require new users to activate their account by email. Well, while all the users with a non-Yahoo email address have activated their account, only 25% of those with a Yahoo address have activated. The reason? They didn’t receive the activation message. I don’t know about you but for me this is very very bad. More than half of my users have their email address at Yahoo, and this means I’m losing a LOT of new members.

I am really surprised this isn’t more talked about. I will advise my users to use a Gmail or Hotmail account instead of Yahoo and I suggest you do the same.

Thanks and Merry Christmas! :)

]]> by: Aaron http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-1963 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:21:31 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-1963 Yahoo blows.. plain and simple.... and they know people trust Yahoo and wont talk bad about them, and will instead blame the people trying to send them mail. The simple fact is, instead of actually working on effective SPAM filtering they just grey-list or block anyone who sends more than a few messages..... so people who have thousands of users who have addresses at Yahoo.com end up getting no email delivered from newsletters etc..... The fact yahoo wants you to PAY to be a certified sender is CRAP, they make more than enough money to have a real mail solution, and should implement RBL or SBL lists to stop people from sending SPAM through their network. Yahoo blows.. plain and simple…. and they know people trust Yahoo and wont talk bad about them, and will instead blame the people trying to send them mail. The simple fact is, instead of actually working on effective SPAM filtering they just grey-list or block anyone who sends more than a few messages….. so people who have thousands of users who have addresses at Yahoo.com end up getting no email delivered from newsletters etc…..

The fact yahoo wants you to PAY to be a certified sender is CRAP, they make more than enough money to have a real mail solution, and should implement RBL or SBL lists to stop people from sending SPAM through their network.

]]> by: Ed http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-1883 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:57:11 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-1883 I see typical server overload at the prime email checking times of the day. By typical server overload, I mean that I can't even reach the mail server, or can't get authenticated, or can't get to my mail, or can't post replies, depending regularly these days on the time of day. I see typical server overload at the prime email checking times of the day. By typical server overload, I mean that I can’t even reach the mail server, or can’t get authenticated, or can’t get to my mail, or can’t post replies, depending regularly these days on the time of day.

]]> by: TS http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-1877 Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:07:44 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/email_aaddhghiad_ih/#comment-1877 We are a company that sends about 30,000 statements out per month via email. About 4000 of these statements go to customers with Yahoo email addresses. These emails sit in our out queue waiting for Yahoo to allow it to be sent until they eventually time out. We then take those 4000 emails and resend them by hand, one at a time. We are now working on a project to send Yahoo emails a few at a time over a couple of days, hoping that this will eliminate the need for hand delivery. Don't try to tell us that Yahoo is not an issue! We are a company that sends about 30,000 statements out per month via email. About 4000 of these statements go to customers with Yahoo email addresses. These emails sit in our out queue waiting for Yahoo to allow it to be sent until they eventually time out. We then take those 4000 emails and resend them by hand, one at a time. We are now working on a project to send Yahoo emails a few at a time over a couple of days, hoping that this will eliminate the need for hand delivery. Don’t try to tell us that Yahoo is not an issue!

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