Comments on: Survey of Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Reviews: Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/ Spam, Security, Privacy, Spyware, Phishing & Viruses from the Front Lines. Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:32:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: richard http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-1454 Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:01:03 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-1454 OE6 and IE7 beta 3 In Outlook Express 6 I can not paste content from clipboard. Closes program every time I try and auto reports this to MS. I don't know why, MS technical support doesn't even know why, but Dr. Watson knows and gives a complete address, but MS doesn't understand this error code that their own product produces. Dr. Watson is not MS but it came packaged with XP Home; too bad it isn't linked directly to India. Microsoft is an affordable nightmare, Apple is not! OE6 and IE7 beta 3
In Outlook Express 6 I can not paste content from clipboard. Closes program every time I try and auto reports this to MS.

I don’t know why, MS technical support doesn’t even know why, but Dr. Watson knows and gives a complete address, but MS doesn’t understand this error code that their own product produces. Dr. Watson is not MS but it came packaged with XP Home; too bad it isn’t linked directly to India.

Microsoft is an affordable nightmare, Apple is not!

]]> by: Mark Ward http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-1285 Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:08:29 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-1285 Yup, MS broke something (I'm betting in WININET.DLL) that now renders Outlook (or Outlook Express) incapable of connecting with Hotmail (left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing)... The problem, of course, is that there's NO assurance that MS will FIX that little pesky issue. This could be "as designed" (that Hotmail is, and will forever be, a browser interface), or enough of us masochistic enough to try the IE7 beta will inform MS how important e-mail (yes, even Hotmail e-mail) is to our existence. Yeah, sure, we can open a separate tab in IE7 (one for each e-mail service to which we subscribe), and spend our free time check each and every one for new mail, but as for me, personally, I rather use a GUI client which polls my various email services and notifies me of new mail (what a concept, huh?). Yup, MS broke something (I’m betting in WININET.DLL) that now renders Outlook (or Outlook Express) incapable of connecting with Hotmail (left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing)…

The problem, of course, is that there’s NO assurance that MS will FIX that little pesky issue. This could be “as designed” (that Hotmail is, and will forever be, a browser interface), or enough of us masochistic enough to try the IE7 beta will inform MS how important e-mail (yes, even Hotmail e-mail) is to our existence.

Yeah, sure, we can open a separate tab in IE7 (one for each e-mail service to which we subscribe), and spend our free time check each and every one for new mail, but as for me, personally, I rather use a GUI client which polls my various email services and notifies me of new mail (what a concept, huh?).

]]> by: R Datta http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-1250 Wed, 26 Jul 2006 11:50:49 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-1250 IEYb3 f&#*#d Hotmail under Outlook Express 6: I loaded the new IE 7 Beta 3 and suddenly my Outlook Express cannot log on to my Hotmail account. I can log in OK directly with Hotmail via IE, Opera or Firefox. The problem has persisted for 2 weeks even though I down loaded all windows updates. Couldn't get in touch with anybody at Microsoft. So I uninstalled Billy's IE7b3 and Billy's Hotmail in Billy's OUtlook Express 6 started working again just fine. IEYb3 f&#*#d Hotmail under Outlook Express 6:
I loaded the new IE 7 Beta 3 and suddenly my Outlook Express cannot log on to my Hotmail account. I can log in OK directly with Hotmail via IE, Opera or Firefox. The problem has persisted for 2 weeks even though I down loaded all windows updates. Couldn’t get in touch with anybody at Microsoft. So I uninstalled Billy’s IE7b3 and Billy’s Hotmail in Billy’s OUtlook Express 6 started working again just fine.

]]> by: Wonderbird http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-681 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:08:00 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-681 Main thing IE7 needs in order for me to be impressed is the ability to UNINSTALL it!<br> <br> Once that happens... there may be some hope of Microsoft understanding that it is the user's computer and they should be able to CHOOSE what gets installed (or does not get installed) on it... Main thing IE7 needs in order for me to be impressed is the ability to UNINSTALL it!

Once that happens… there may be some hope of Microsoft understanding that it is the user’s computer and they should be able to CHOOSE what gets installed (or does not get installed) on it…

]]> by: ledmatrix http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-680 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:12:36 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-680 I don't even care any more. I switched to Firefox a long time ago and I don't plan to ever look back. I don’t even care any more. I switched to Firefox a long time ago and I don’t plan to ever look back.

]]> by: BJ Gillette http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-679 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:26:45 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-679 @Damn Wilcox.<br> Well said. We work with BSD, Linux and Windows, and like 'em all for different projects and reasons.<br> <br> As for 1. GTalk, 2. Google Earth and 3. Google Desktop... 1. Haven't tried it, 2. Have no problems, and 3. Exorcised it.<br> <br> IE7? Assuming the final release bears some resemblence to IE7b2... As it ships with Windows, the browser will be able to claim far more "installs" than b2's capabilities seem to justify. @Damn Wilcox.
Well said. We work with BSD, Linux and Windows, and like ‘em all for different projects and reasons.

As for 1. GTalk, 2. Google Earth and 3. Google Desktop… 1. Haven’t tried it, 2. Have no problems, and 3. Exorcised it.

IE7? Assuming the final release bears some resemblence to IE7b2… As it ships with Windows, the browser will be able to claim far more “installs” than b2’s capabilities seem to justify.

]]> by: Damn Wilcox http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-678 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:53:04 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-678 Lets all take a big breathe here for a second and let the blood go to our brains instead of our red faces. <br> Bugs are a natural part of the development process as such any 'clean slate' project can be easily bitten. MacOSX had some bugs that hadn't been seen in NIS in near a decade. When MS re-implements windoze, even if they do so with a known secure model, there will be a time in which the security can feasibly get worse before it gets better. Further remember who who is on the forefront of virtual machine technology, crackers with new *ware that'll unpack into a VM (and honestly all the security that exists couldn't stop MS's enemies at this point).<br> This problem is compounded since MS is fighting itself to release its next products but is also aware in some depts that they still need a lot of work. Classic development problem. <br> IE7 isn't ready. But who's surprised? MS has a bad habit of letting the marketing dept run the show. I don't know if trusting MS in the world of standards is the best idea ever. Remember E^3 strategy used in the last browser wars: Embrace,Extend, Eliminate. <br> BTW on Google: <br> GTalk is the only IM client thus far, and Jabber of course, that doesn't send your password in plain text over the network (get a sniffer and look I dare you). <br> Google Earth I give two thumbs up as well....what Google Desktop? Run windoze what are you sick in the head?! I care about my info and identity thank you.<br> <br> D Lets all take a big breathe here for a second and let the blood go to our brains instead of our red faces.
Bugs are a natural part of the development process as such any ‘clean slate’ project can be easily bitten. MacOSX had some bugs that hadn’t been seen in NIS in near a decade. When MS re-implements windoze, even if they do so with a known secure model, there will be a time in which the security can feasibly get worse before it gets better. Further remember who who is on the forefront of virtual machine technology, crackers with new *ware that’ll unpack into a VM (and honestly all the security that exists couldn’t stop MS’s enemies at this point).
This problem is compounded since MS is fighting itself to release its next products but is also aware in some depts that they still need a lot of work. Classic development problem.
IE7 isn’t ready. But who’s surprised? MS has a bad habit of letting the marketing dept run the show. I don’t know if trusting MS in the world of standards is the best idea ever. Remember E^3 strategy used in the last browser wars: Embrace,Extend, Eliminate.
BTW on Google:
GTalk is the only IM client thus far, and Jabber of course, that doesn’t send your password in plain text over the network (get a sniffer and look I dare you).
Google Earth I give two thumbs up as well….what Google Desktop? Run windoze what are you sick in the head?! I care about my info and identity thank you.

D

]]> by: mark http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-677 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:30:40 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-677 so to cut a long story short, ie7 is crap so to cut a long story short, ie7 is crap

]]> by: BJ Gillette http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-676 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:26:43 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-676 @Lilewyn & Cameron.<br> Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! I hate it when you're right. <br> <br> Think: Google Search and GMail. Compared to the rest of the Big Four Free Email Hosts (Yahoo, AOL and Hotmail), GMail looks almost princely.<br> <br> Thanks for the much-needed correction. @Lilewyn & Cameron.
Ouch! Ouch! Ouch! I hate it when you’re right.

Think: Google Search and GMail. Compared to the rest of the Big Four Free Email Hosts (Yahoo, AOL and Hotmail), GMail looks almost princely.

Thanks for the much-needed correction.

]]> by: BJ Gillette http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-675 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 18:02:16 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/12/browsers_aaddgijjba_de/#comment-675 @Sam Sethi. <br> RE: "Grow up will you - mines better than your mentality really is playground stuff. IE7 is not that bad and Firefox not that good."<br> <br> As a Microsoft customer since Bill skipped out on college, I've lived through really bad versions of MS-DOS, Windows and Internet Explorer, as well as genuinely serviceable versions.<br> <br> From the reviews and user comments I've seen, IE7b2 does indeed appear to be "that bad."<br> <br> I've been here with Bill before. If his team picks up on enough of the outrage, chances for a better product improve measurably.<br> <br> I'm simply a humble conduit for product improvement, Sam. <br> <br> Sorry you don't get it. @Sam Sethi.
RE: “Grow up will you - mines better than your mentality really is playground stuff. IE7 is not that bad and Firefox not that good.”

As a Microsoft customer since Bill skipped out on college, I’ve lived through really bad versions of MS-DOS, Windows and Internet Explorer, as well as genuinely serviceable versions.

From the reviews and user comments I’ve seen, IE7b2 does indeed appear to be “that bad.”

I’ve been here with Bill before. If his team picks up on enough of the outrage, chances for a better product improve measurably.

I’m simply a humble conduit for product improvement, Sam.

Sorry you don’t get it.

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