Comments on: Will Lotus Notes Lead Microsoft To Linux Desktop? http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/ Spam, Security, Privacy, Spyware, Phishing & Viruses from the Front Lines. Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:24:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: who cares http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-1801 Wed, 18 Jul 2007 13:44:11 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-1801 Lotus Jokes can burn in hell. Seriously. Burn burn burn. As someone who likes to think that they have a "brian" (as Jumbo Quigley defined it), I would think that other people who have a "brian" would realize the clunkiness, difficulty of use, and overall misery that this program delivers. I would wish IBM bankrupt for carrying this product alone. My hope is that like Quark it too will die a slow agonizing death, just as long as I'm not involved with using it. Lotus Jokes can burn in hell. Seriously. Burn burn burn.

As someone who likes to think that they have a “brian” (as Jumbo Quigley defined it), I would think that other people who have a “brian” would realize the clunkiness, difficulty of use, and overall misery that this program delivers. I would wish IBM bankrupt for carrying this product alone. My hope is that like Quark it too will die a slow agonizing death, just as long as I’m not involved with using it.

]]> by: Brendan http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-1711 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:03:08 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-1711 Where can I register as a person that vehemently hates notes with every fiber of my being? Where can I register as a person that vehemently hates notes with every fiber of my being?

]]> by: Googler http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-1621 Sun, 03 Dec 2006 08:07:29 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-1621 Lotus Notes apologists really need to read the information posted at http://lotusnotessucks.4t.com/index.html. Notes violates about every known heuristic of effective UI design. I'd love to see gmail gain encryption and start dominating the email client space. As for the rest of the databases and functionality in Notes...use them if you dare. But don't foist them on your innocent employees as usable software. The number of people that vehemently hate notes with every fiber of their being is shocking. Lotus Notes apologists really need to read the information posted at http://lotusnotessucks.4t.com/index.html. Notes violates about every known heuristic of effective UI design.

I’d love to see gmail gain encryption and start dominating the email client space. As for the rest of the databases and functionality in Notes…use them if you dare. But don’t foist them on your innocent employees as usable software. The number of people that vehemently hate notes with every fiber of their being is shocking.

]]> by: FP http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-1587 Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:52:58 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-1587 Ya, multi-level undo is *one* of the *major* issues with Notes, no matter what platform you run it on... As such, it can only improve, and I am all for the Linux version... Now if only the company would upgrade so we can also use it... Ya, multi-level undo is *one* of the *major* issues with Notes, no matter what platform you run it on…

As such, it can only improve, and I am all for the Linux version… Now if only the company would upgrade so we can also use it…

]]> by: dbf http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-1219 Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:39:27 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-1219 Quirky quirky... However, all those lacks of multiple undo's, connection settings deep in address book, some easy options (sortability mentioned) missing, still beats Outlook - at least on the count of being able to handle HUGE end-user mail files. Outlook somehow found it difficult (in my case, at least) to deal with mail files over 1-2 Gb, whereas Lotus handles the current 8 Gb with a relative ease, and seems to be willing to go further. Of course, large GBs of mail are not very wise, and most home users will never collect so much mail... but in work environment mail just piles up. Integrated indexing and index-based searches - also something that Outlook lacks and which makes working with very large mail databases such a pain in the ass... Last, but not least, even though not a power-user, and do not use it, but Lotus has tons of "possibility" built-in... just if I could program in Lotusspeak... Quirky quirky… However, all those lacks of multiple undo’s, connection settings deep in address book, some easy options (sortability mentioned) missing, still beats Outlook - at least on the count of being able to handle HUGE end-user mail files. Outlook somehow found it difficult (in my case, at least) to deal with mail files over 1-2 Gb, whereas Lotus handles the current 8 Gb with a relative ease, and seems to be willing to go further. Of course, large GBs of mail are not very wise, and most home users will never collect so much mail… but in work environment mail just piles up. Integrated indexing and index-based searches - also something that Outlook lacks and which makes working with very large mail databases such a pain in the ass… Last, but not least, even though not a power-user, and do not use it, but Lotus has tons of “possibility” built-in… just if I could program in Lotusspeak…

]]> by: Chris http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-537 Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:29:15 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-537 All I have to say is it is about time! I'm not a Lotus Notes user but my dad is. He is not a 'Linux' user but he is using Linux at home. Lotus Notes is what he needs for work and is currently running through CrossOver Office. He hates Lotus Notes regardless of platform. The thing I think people need to pay attention to is that the current version of Lotus Notes is written in Microsoft visual c++. This is half the problem but the other half of why IBM still hasn't ported it to Linux. I think it's pretty apparent this isn't going to be anything like the old Lotus Notes given it's now multi-platform they are almost certainly writing this from the ground up. For those who absolutely hate Lotus Notes this likely will incorporate all the changes you so desire. If not at first, it will over time. FireFox 1.0 had a lot to be desired but with 1.5 and 2.0 it's softened up a bit and gotten better support from web designers. All I have to say is it is about time! I’m not a Lotus Notes user but my dad is. He is not a ‘Linux’ user but he is using Linux at home. Lotus Notes is what he needs for work and is currently running through CrossOver Office. He hates Lotus Notes regardless of platform. The thing I think people need to pay attention to is that the current version of Lotus Notes is written in Microsoft visual c++. This is half the problem but the other half of why IBM still hasn’t ported it to Linux. I think it’s pretty apparent this isn’t going to be anything like the old Lotus Notes given it’s now multi-platform they are almost certainly writing this from the ground up. For those who absolutely hate Lotus Notes this likely will incorporate all the changes you so desire. If not at first, it will over time. FireFox 1.0 had a lot to be desired but with 1.5 and 2.0 it’s softened up a bit and gotten better support from web designers.

]]> by: Mark Demicoli http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-536 Sun, 26 Mar 2006 23:09:14 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-536 You can pick on Lotus Notes until the cows learn java. Personally I go to bed at night knowing that my clients are ecstatic about the stuff i'm building for them and in so much less time than their experience with other platforms. I love you Notes. *mwah* You can pick on Lotus Notes until the cows learn java. Personally I go to bed at night knowing that my clients are ecstatic about the stuff i’m building for them and in so much less time than their experience with other platforms. I love you Notes. *mwah*

]]> by: Jumbo Quigley http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-535 Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:14:38 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-535 Well, if anyone in your organization had a brian, they could have implemented "Sort by Subject line" either in the mail template for all users, or only for you since I doubt anyone else thought it necessary. This could be done back in, oh, Notes 1.0<br> <br> If you don't want a 'bloated' client with RAD apps, you can use the excellent browser-based email. Oh, yeah, fast and correct searches there, too. Well, if anyone in your organization had a brian, they could have implemented “Sort by Subject line” either in the mail template for all users, or only for you since I doubt anyone else thought it necessary. This could be done back in, oh, Notes 1.0

If you don’t want a ‘bloated’ client with RAD apps, you can use the excellent browser-based email. Oh, yeah, fast and correct searches there, too.

]]> by: Sitaram http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-534 Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:21:34 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-534 This is really bad news for me!<br> <br> At my work I bless IBM everyday that they DONT have a Linux product. Since I insist on using Linux as my desktop, this leaves me free to use Thunderbird :-)<br> <br> If this happens I will be forced to use a bloated client with half the functionality of TB.<br> <br> And I'm tired of IBM apologists saying "but it's not just an email client, it's a RAD playform, [or whatever]". I dont *need* a RADplatform. I just want to be able to search my email quickly and easily.<br> <br> Any email client which acquired "sort by subject line" in version 6 is a client worth avoiding. Regardless of what super-glorified version it will be on tomorrow. This is really bad news for me!

At my work I bless IBM everyday that they DONT have a Linux product. Since I insist on using Linux as my desktop, this leaves me free to use Thunderbird :-)

If this happens I will be forced to use a bloated client with half the functionality of TB.

And I’m tired of IBM apologists saying “but it’s not just an email client, it’s a RAD playform, [or whatever]”. I dont *need* a RADplatform. I just want to be able to search my email quickly and easily.

Any email client which acquired “sort by subject line” in version 6 is a client worth avoiding. Regardless of what super-glorified version it will be on tomorrow.

]]> by: Jose Albaladejo http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-533 Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:43:48 +0000 http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/02/27/group_aadajgdgdd_bi/#comment-533 The real issue here is not whether Lotus Notes is THE ideal product. It an invitation to other major software manufacturers to look at Linux as an alternative. If this happens we will start seeing Linux being shipped on PCs for home and enterprise users. Personally I am pro-Windows but realise that it needs a competitor. Notes will bring Mac and Linux into the market and besides, is there anything that Lotus Notes/Domino can't do? The real issue here is not whether Lotus Notes is THE ideal product. It an invitation to other major software manufacturers to look at Linux as an alternative. If this happens we will start seeing Linux being shipped on PCs for home and enterprise users. Personally I am pro-Windows but realise that it needs a competitor. Notes will bring Mac and Linux into the market and besides, is there anything that Lotus Notes/Domino can’t do?

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