Microsoft’s relatively quick response to the WMF fiasco may have been a bit too quick. In the midst of a debate at Ars Technica over Microsoft’s personal-best performance in handling the WMF exploit, a few quiet voices popped up. Zakharov:
Is it me or was that patch distributed with some kind of hidden higher priority? I normally leave windows auto-update set to notify me when patches are downloaded for manual installation but the WMF patch took matters into its own hands and installed itself with a reboot.
According to Microsoft’s documentation for Automatic Update, that shouldn’t happen to an Administrative user: “If you are an administrator for your computer, you can delay the restart; otherwise, Windows warns you and then restarts your computer for you. Make sure you save your work and remind other users to save their work, especially before scheduled installation times.”
After Zakharov’s comment, one of our techs concurred. He noticed that one of our XP laptops that was set to simply download updates had restarted… And had the patch.
Meanwhile, astrashe, another Ars Technica member agreed with Zakharov:
I noticed the same thing. I got a message saying the patch had been installed, and that my machine had rebooted.
You may well ask, “What’s the problem? You got protected, didn’t you?”
Quite true. However, it’s one thing for your neighbor to knock on your door, then wait for an invitation to enter. It is quite another for your neighbor to barge in and start moving furniture while you’re entertaining guests at your pool party. And it’s especially troublesome when your neighbor walks in uninvited, using the keys you trusted him to use only when authorized.
We were frankly astounded that Microsoft might be so bold. Back at Ars Technica, mmondok reported:
It’s funny that you guys should mention the reboot as I think it may have also happened to two of my PCs as well. I never log out or turn off my computer, but both were logged out and I had the “your PC has been updated” blob show up when I logged back into the machines.I just figured it was a strange coincidence. I can’t verify that it was the updates that did it, but it sure sounds like it.
Can Microsoft take over your computer without your permission? Obviously. But would they? While we would like to think Redmond will always do the right thing, there’s a certain blogger in China who might not share that opinion. When China told Microsoft to pull the plug on the poor wretch’s blog, the company shut him down.
Update 11 January 2006: Microsoft says Windows Automatic Update worked just like always. As several user comments below indicate, this is cold comfort to those have successfully negotiated prior updates.
Update 12 January 2006: Several press reports have mischaracterized the contents of this article. Please read it carefully, along with the comments, pro and con, before drawing your own conclusions. The vast majority of Windows users had no problems updating. Having said that, it’s obvious that Windows Automatic Update has caused plenty of grief for many. (To get better control of the beast, see How To Disable Reboot After Windows Automatic Update.)
If you…
- had your system set to download updates or notify you before automatic updating, but;
- Windows Automatic Update downloaded and installed the WMF patch (912919) without your permission…
…post a comment below, along with your thoughts. Microsoft will undoubtedly appreciate your input. Just like always.
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January 9th, 2006 at 4:44 pm
Adam Scheinberg
Yes. We have several severs go down inexplicably. I had chocked it up to misconfigured auto-update policies via the SUS server in our network, but it did seem a little fishy. This makes a lot of sense.
January 9th, 2006 at 4:44 pm
jorth
Micro$oft got me on that one too. I have 5 PSc in the office all set to “download and notify” and all 5, over a period of about 18 hours rebooted themselves and had the “window$ rebooted your computer” blob.
Face it, M$ owns your computer if you’re running Window$. The only way to be safe is to run Linux or write your own OS.
January 9th, 2006 at 5:41 pm
Stephen Gornick
I’ve had that happen with a prevoius update on Windows Server 2003 running Microsft Update (not Windows Update) — I then verified that automatic updates was set to “download and notify” but it did the update anyway. Standalone PC — not using WSUS or AD domain, or anything that should have installed that on its own.
January 9th, 2006 at 6:50 pm
Dam
Our six W2K machines all had the otification icon in the tray, but none installed without my permission. When installed, a popup came appearing which, if ignored, would have rebooted automatically, but if attended, could be cancelled for a few minutes.
January 10th, 2006 at 12:14 am
redxii
XP SP2 notified me but didn’t auto install it for that patch, and set to that option.
You sure it wasn’t misconfigured? After all, screwing with default system folder ACLs in a not too distant patch proved troublesome… for those that screwed with the default system folder permissions.
January 10th, 2006 at 3:19 am
James
My PC (XP SP2) worked as it should ie the notification blog popped up asking if I wanted the update downloadd, then installed. I clicked Yes.
January 10th, 2006 at 6:14 am
Editor
If redxii is right, it explains the relatively small number people who seem to have experienced download-install-reboot without consent. The required ACL changes to trigger such a system response remain a mystery.
January 10th, 2006 at 11:13 am
rolve
I normally get notified on patches but I also nticed that my computer has been restarted during the night after installing the patch. I was quite surprised (and actually angry cause my bittorent client wasn’t able to tranfer files that are located on a encrypted hd)
January 10th, 2006 at 11:40 am
corey
Happenned to me to, I have always had my updates to let me select when to install them - I also keep the PC on all the time. Woke up the next day, saw my computer had restarted itself and the little balloon in the taskbar told me updates had been installed - just as described above.
f****n’ microsoft
January 10th, 2006 at 2:59 pm
me
It did it to my laptop and main computer.
January 10th, 2006 at 3:14 pm
Maurice
Yeah, our server went down, crashed all our apps. WTF, really bad!
January 10th, 2006 at 3:15 pm
Stefano
It happened to me: XP SP2 Italian.
I have the option to download and ask me before installing.
I left my computer on for the night I always do this because I leave my work in the background and I use Remote Desktop from home sometime! When I tried to remote desktop to my work laptop I’ve not been able to connect.
The next morning I found the computer restarted and with the installed patch.
I’ve lost an half hour of work due to the fact of not being able to connect from home and a full day because my nightly tasks have not been executed!
January 10th, 2006 at 3:34 pm
Reko
Hopefully this will shed some light on the information;
I use XP SP2 and have it set to download/ask to install. A while back, there was an update which I approved to install. After this, Windows did the usual ‘Reboot damnit!’ popup every 5 or so minutes - which is annoying, but I was determined to not let XP reboot.
Many hours later I left my computer for about half an hour, and when I came back, the annoying reboot popup was displaying again, this time with a progress bar that indicated that the system would reboot automatically in 5 minutes. I cancelled this again, but ever since, in that session, until I rebooted, it displayed the progress bar.
It would seem this is some kind of mechanism to reboot automatically if a machine turns out to have been left unattended. Quite annoying, really, since I eventually left the machine for long enough that I couldn’t cancel the next reboot dialog to popup. Needless to say, it pissed me off, but anyway..
I imagine this ‘technique’ to get updates installed on machines would probably apply to asking for permission to install them, as well as rebooting them.
201bJanuary 10th, 2006 at 3:34 pm
Guy Pissedoff
the thing that pisses me off the most is that after the upgrade, you have no option but to reboot. the prompt for rebooting keeps coming back after declining. and once ignored for some time, the OS automatically restarts. I say, if M$ welcomes responses from their customers and everyone who is smart enough to download their OS instead of buying it - should persistently send them (in bulk) emails, threat letters, file complaints and go out of their way to place bad reviews and help distribute their OS for free to all continents - as to promote higher volume of complaints.
January 10th, 2006 at 3:43 pm
wrc
work and home machines
I was wondering what was going on, but figured the work machine might have been a company network thing and the home machine was maybe just a fluke. I didn’t put things together until I read this. Hm.
January 10th, 2006 at 3:49 pm
allan
I actually happened to wake up in the middle of the night, right when the computer was getting ready to reboot. I hit cancel & thought it was weird that it was installing & rebooting without asking, but i was half asleep so forgot all about it.
What’s even more strange is that even though i cancelled the reboot, after i went back to bed it rebooted anyway.
January 10th, 2006 at 4:05 pm
KR jr.
I also noticed that my laptop starting asking for a reboot with that 5 minute window. I thought It was my fault until I went home and my home PC started the same crap. I have the same download and notify setting.
January 10th, 2006 at 4:07 pm
Hans
That happened at where I work, too. We all were wondering what happened, and I particularly know I didn’t sign out, but there it was, “Press Ctrl + Alt + Del to begin” just as if I myself had logged off and restarted.
January 10th, 2006 at 4:08 pm
Justin
Yeah, my box at home rebooted. My computer at work did not.
January 10th, 2006 at 4:12 pm
Big_Bollocks
All my home and work PCs with Windows XP SP2 rebooted on their own and the Auto Updater is set to notify me before installing. The thing is that on most of my PC this is not new, it has happened for a while now. Could just be a bug or as MS says, new feature.
Kind of ironic, the patch is got a bug
January 10th, 2006 at 4:12 pm
doolittle
I have XP Pro, all are set to download-only auto-updates and let me choose - all worked as configured.
January 10th, 2006 at 4:20 pm
Chris Taylor
What happens if you have updating TURNED OFF - I never ever update windows online - I only use downloadable Service Packs. I depend on my knowledge and my own software (firewalls etc..) and training to avoid trouble (been working fine for 15 years not one virus) I do this because I do not trust microsoft. is there a way to physical damage the update thing in such a way that it can not function at all ?
January 10th, 2006 at 4:56 pm
A. Snowson
I am the computer technician in a major high school in Nashville. All of the computers in my lab are set to just notify me that an update is needed. I have had windows updates crap out on me before so I am ALWAYS wary of them.
When I enter the computer lab on Monday morning and see that every computer has been restarted, I think that there must have been a blackout or some power problems. No biggie. I go to my office and in the middle of my 2nd coffee I look over and see that my personal pc (which I have not connected to the internet at all since the first boot up. Totally sterile.) is still running my last game of freecell. So no power failure. I have the only key to that lab, so no one could have updated all 35 of them manually. At this point Im asking if I have the updates set wrong or if there is a virus running through the school net. I pick a computer at random and run a full diagnostic.
What comes back, is that some time in the night the computer switched over to auto-update, installed the patch, switched back to manual, and then reset.
I pick another and check it. It comes back the same. EVERY one of the 35 did the same thing.
Just think about that for a sec.
January 10th, 2006 at 5:05 pm
bender
the reboot window is really annoying. But here the solution: XP reboots after 5min only if you are not an admin. as an admin you get the ‘want to reboot’ window but without a progress bar. if you aren’t an admin then go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Windowsupdate\AU
create new DWORD “NoAutoRebootWithLoggedOnUsers” = 1
and windows just ask you to reboot.
But what about a power blackout? Do you all have UPS? So don’t be surprised if a computer reboots while you are not there
January 10th, 2006 at 5:13 pm
Owno
To break auto updates: disable the “background intelligent transfer service”.
January 10th, 2006 at 6:17 pm
Reko
Bender, I was running at an admin at the time. It seems like as a normal user it displays the progress bar immediately, but as an admin it seems like it only starts displaying the progress bar after a few hours.
January 10th, 2006 at 8:50 pm
Brandon
Yep. I can definitely verify that it rebooted my XP box without my permission. Pretty lame IMO.
January 11th, 2006 at 1:03 am
Kat
I thought mine had done this, but when I checked my setting, it had somehow been reset to automatically install all updates.
Grrrrrrrrrr.
January 11th, 2006 at 3:44 am
ditto
ditto the above: all our work machines (and my home machine) ignored to setup and auto-installed. I’d like to think this was against the UELA but then again, according to that, M$ owns my children…
January 11th, 2006 at 4:04 am
Sean
I found on at least two occassions over the last couple of updates, that my PC rebooted by itself when left unattended. Not too great if your system is doing something important. I hope this only affects workstations and not servers, which my pee off a few system admins. Necessary we think? Perhaps. But as pointed out, M$ acts a bit like big brother in this case having control over our PC’s. What next, an exploit in the update code that hackers can randomly reset our PCs thinking it was a security patch that got installed…. nice one.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:09 am
Marc
Hmm, i have an xp sp2 box as well, and it didnt reboot automatically. I just got a nice popup telling me there were new updates ready for installing. It was indeed the wmf update.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:09 am
Robert Carnegie
My XP Tablet Edition PC has auto-fetched but not installed the patch, as far as I can see. I’m not Administrator but some of my desktop applications are “Run As” Administrator. And I’m not being nagged. But I’d better get it done, eh?
Basically you should expect reboot as part of a patch installation, delaying it is a conditional privilege instead of a right, and the Windows Update site will warn you in each patch’s description. Windows is like that - it isn’t intelligently modular. If you wear dungarees then you have to undress all the way to use a restroom.
January 11th, 2006 at 5:31 am
Nocturn
@Robert Carnegie
I have no gripe against the need for a reboot for core components (which this one is not).
But in this case, the systems where set to only download and ask. Not only did it ignore the need to ask permission for rebooting, it also needed permission to install the patch.
As a Linux user, I’m used to be king on my computer, I tell it what to do, not the other way around, but things work differently in the windows world.
January 11th, 2006 at 6:23 am
bob
doods micro$oft own all our asses always have always will, wrong i konw but what can we do, they violate laws, if there prosocuted they just pay the fine and walk away and the government are happy with this because they get cash$$, and micro$oft are happy cause the profit outways the fines a loop where they all make money and appears something was done but was it really?
i think there’s loads wrong with this world and this is a tiny issue we should deal with when people stop dying in the world who cares what micro$oft are doing if you don’t break the law there’s no big problem, america going to war for no reason there’s a problem, people dying from starvation there’s a problem….come on people sort out your prioreties and start doing something positive!!!
January 11th, 2006 at 7:21 am
jon green
My PC’s set to download but not install automatically and I’m routinely logged on as a non-admin user.
Usually I have to log on as administrator or else I don’t get the balloon notification of new updates (I don’t reboot or shutdown very often, so rarely see the stand by/turn off/restart dialog with its “there are updates to be installed” message).
In this case however, I *did* get the bubble notification of new updates to be installed while logged in as the non-admin user. It didn’t install the update automatically though.
I just figured that MS had *finally* made Automatic Updates useful to users like me who don’t use an admin account (as per MS guidelines…) and who don’t reboot often.
2088 January 11th, 2006 at 7:42 am
HatewerK
Goddamn Uncle Bill! A whole half-morning on Photoshop, just to get back from lunch and find everything gone.
January 11th, 2006 at 8:01 am
John
Not only has this happened to me, it has happened many times. Many times, in fact, I have left the computer on with websites that I didn’t save to my bookmarks but had the intention to read and could have helped me out with stuff, only to come back to the computer the next morning and find that it had been restarted.
I sure hope Google creates an OS, cause Micro$oft is a bunch of b***hholes.
January 11th, 2006 at 12:24 pm
WIlliwmalden
This is NOT the first time this has happened. I have documented cases of this occuring on multiple networks in at least two other cases. If M$ is planning on doing this, sysadmins should be told!
January 11th, 2006 at 12:56 pm
Sam
Happened to me, too - on 3 different machines. The first one happened when I got up to make dinner. I came back to my computer to see it rebooting. Logged in and got the blob.
January 11th, 2006 at 12:56 pm
Ben
I have my personal computer (XP), my office computer (XP), and our two domain controllers (2k3) set to download but install manually. And they all performed as expected. They all downloaded the update and notified me. Not one of them installed it automatically or rebooted automatically.
January 11th, 2006 at 12:59 pm
BP
In fact I have not updated the domain controllers yet. I’m looking at the window ‘Choose updates to install’ with the WMF fix in it.
January 11th, 2006 at 4:27 pm
daza
This came as quiet a shock to me too, I woke up this morning to find my PC had restarted and that Auto-Update did not ask my permission and took it upon itself to install it. Not impressed =/
January 11th, 2006 at 6:21 pm
compn
i have background intelligent transfer service and automatic updates set to disabled in my admin tools > services list, but i couldnt access windows update with either of them set to disabled or even manual, both had to be started and set to automatic to even run windows update!!!
anyhow, now that i ran windows update manually, both of these go back on the disabled list of my services. i would be super pissed if my pc rebooted without me, i got lots of stuff running 24/7 and i dont want to lose any data ;\
January 11th, 2006 at 7:48 pm
Dan Harkless
Interesting. I have my work and home machines set to notify me of updates, but to not even download them without my intervention. On my work machine (XP), I installed the patch via Windows Update as soon as the bulletin came out, so Automatic Updates didnt get the chance to know about it.
When I got home to my Windows 2000 machine, Automatic Updates was telling me the patch was available but hadnt done anything about it. I installed it via Windows Update, and declined the immediate reboot, and at that point Automatic Updates detected that the patch had been installed and brought up its own reboot dialog. I dismissed it, but it kept regularly bringing it back up, insisting on a reboot (seemed like it was coming back up about once a minute, though I did not time it).
The dialog didnt have a countdown to automatic reboot or anything, but was annoying since it would go on top of other apps. Never saw Windows Update and Automatic Updates interact in that way before.
But my machines never did do anything without my permission in the course of all this.
January 11th, 2006 at 8:46 pm
Jebus
I had a 2003 server curiosly reboot on me.
January 11th, 2006 at 10:58 pm
chris wills
[quote] What happens if you have updating TURNED OFF - I never ever update windows online - I only use downloadable Service Packs. I depend on my knowledge and my own software (firewalls etc..) and training to avoid trouble (been working fine for 15 years not one virus) I do this because I do not trust microsoft. is there a way to physical damage the update thing in such a way that it can not function at all ?[/quote]
Yes, this is possible. Go to your control panel and services (or run services.msi from start/run) and stop then disable the autoupdate service. Windows WILL NOT update with this disabled. If you want to run updates you will have to set it back to auto and restart it to do so. This is how I make sure MS doesn’t slip anything in behind my back. I also trust my own knowledge and 3rd party utilities, along with save browsing and email habits to avoid trouble. 10 + years and never a virus or spyware found on my pcs.
January 12th, 2006 at 4:53 am
MikeOssing
Got my ERP machine this morning at 3:07. Fortunately, all the overnight batch processing and backups had completed, but…
2056January 12th, 2006 at 7:59 am
Greg
I have my updater set to “Notify but do not download”. I saw the little notification symbol in the taskbar, and figured “I’ll do it later, i’m reading email”. Later, when I went to install it, I found it was already installed. Microsoft definitely snuck this in there.
January 12th, 2006 at 8:29 am
Joe
Your people are f’ing liars. Get a life you penguin thumping zealots.
January 12th, 2006 at 9:27 am
Chris H.
Yep, happened to me, I was running a year-end database report that takes several hours to refresh, so left it running overnight as I normally do… came back the next day to a login prompt…. thank you Microsoft for costing our company nearly a day of work while I scrambled to rerun that report with the phone ringing asking where it was from our customers. At $125/hr, MS owes us about $750, thank you very much (not counting anyone else who lost work or data due to this reboot on their computers in our office). Class-action lawsuit anyone?
January 12th, 2006 at 10:54 am
Jellygraph
Yup, happened to us as well. My father-in-laws’ two servers were discovered with the login screen. After being quizzed for whether I rebooted them or unplugged the power supply, on logging in Windows displayed, mockingly, that it had automatically rebooted after an update. My father-in-law was out of town at the time, so I hope he didn’t have any unsaved projects/documents.
January 12th, 2006 at 11:52 am
oscarh
yup, did this to me.
actually, i was asked by automatic updates if i wanted to install the patch. I choosed no. After about two hours my Win XP SP2 installed the patch and rebooted the computer.
Very anoying since I had work running while being away.
January 12th, 2006 at 12:29 pm
Aussie_Bear
My dad lost 12 hours of development work thanks to Microsoft.
He now wants to switch to Linux!
(He no longer trusts MS anymore)
January 12th, 2006 at 1:30 pm
me
Mine went one more step further. My regular wireless connection was down, it found one unsecured wireless connection in the neighborhood and installed the patch.
January 12th, 2006 at 3:19 pm
Andrew
Hah! You know, I have to laugh at this all. I’ve been using Linux for a few years now without any problems. Every time M$ does something stupid like this or there is a huge worm/virus/trojan/etc, I laugh. When will people learn that there _are_ viable alternatives to Windows? And don’t give me that “Linux isn’t ready for the desktop” crap because it is. It just takes a little effort. Besides, if it is really too hard for you to learn to use a secure and stable operating system, atleast use OSX. Anything is better than the doze.
January 12th, 2006 at 6:58 pm
Alex Vancina
I had a similar experience with this patch. Windows Update installed it without permission, and then forced a reboot (while I had some applications running that I very much wanted to stay running).
Bad form Microsoft. Very bad form.
January 13th, 2006 at 7:19 am
Pedro Pillon Vanzella
Yes, it does!!!
My computer just rebooted… It happened at 2 AM, so I couldn’t see if there was a message or something… After my computer loaded linux, which is the default OS for GRUB. When I decided to turn to windows, I saw a message on the System Tray saying that my computer was rebooted because windows had to update itself.
Micro$oft suuuuuux!!!
January 13th, 2006 at 11:54 am
Antony People
I hate you, Microsoft… i hate you…
I have no joyce… A:\format C:…
January 14th, 2006 at 10:15 am
Nicholas
I don’t use automatic updates, I do it all manually, I’ve not yet had my pc shut itself off without my express written permission. Reading this, I think I’ll restart into Debian now.
January 14th, 2006 at 11:27 pm
Ilde Giron
To date, I have a couple dozen Linux boxes that have been on for something in between 8 and 17 months. Cheers to all windows users. And don’t forget to get your hard earned dollars ready for when master Bill orders you to downgrade to windoze_hasta_la_Vista.
21afJanuary 17th, 2006 at 5:51 pm
Rusty
Yow! I use 3 w2k pro machines at work, due to no fault of my own.
One was turned off during this little event, so don’t know what it will do, but I *AM* going to have to disconnect it from the ‘net, see what auto-update is set for (I know it notifies me of available updates, but I do NOT believe that it installs them - never had a request for reboot from it), then I’ll have to get my firewall storing packets…
Anyway, neither of my other machines notified me or rebooted. I note on this one right here that nobody has ever configured the auto update bozo^W wizard, so maybe its not even running.
And the machine over THERE doesn’t even HAVE that little icon in the systray…
So, if you don’t have auto update running in any mode at all you don’t get ‘helped’ by Uncle Billy.
Makes me even MORE glad that I run linux on all my personal machines that connect to the ‘net.
And, BTW, the Win XP EULA expressly grants Microsoft admin rights to your machine. If I ran a company (which I don’t, more’s the pity), that reason alone would force me to require that NO MACHINE IN MY COMPANY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO RUN ANY VERSION OF Microsoft Windows. I sometimes wonder how CIOs can sleep at night knowing that M$ claims admin rights to all their machines - now that Sarbanes-Oxeley (probably spelled wrong) puts them at risk… Think about it, you CIO-types…
I’d be happy to help anyone in the Tempe AZ area learn more about Linux. Email me at ‘echo me@therecomp.com | sed ’s/me/rustyc/’ | sed ’s/there/des/’
or go visit http://www.speakeasy.net/~rustycar and use one of the emails there.
rc
February 9th, 2006 at 5:43 am
Azag
Did anyone ever try to use CMD—> shutdown -a to abort the reboot or any similar commands to avoid it just wondering and very curious. Mine did not reboot as I NEVER use M$ autoupdate for anything and wouldn’t spit on XP SP2 (it’s junk). I still use XP Corp SP1a w/ all updates (which are really SP2 and SP3 updates just geared to my SP1a system. Yes I turn off Auto Updates entirely it is safer unless you like this vulnerable/backdoor and I have the free time to check for updates and watch for security patches daily…to much free time.
I wouldn’t trust anyone w/ the keys to my front door least of all the creators of the swiss cheese of OS who rush things to download and rush products to the store front for greed instead of doing sufficient code and beta testing even though the can afford and have the man power for it and can always hire more personel rather than spend all money on PR and advertisements. Sad really but I hope the users voicing themselves will make them start to learn the right way one day or force them to listen if necessary as it would seem is needed. :/ I will not buy their Vista bloatware when it comes out by the way. Need I say more?
February 16th, 2006 at 1:25 pm
allen williams
once again we see microsoft’s unbelievable audacity. it sickens me to think that THEY think my computer that I paid thousands for is THEIRS, and that they may dictate how I use it. Let’s watch their market share dwindle..
February 16th, 2006 at 3:28 pm
GL
We had it happen here through our WSUS patch system and also on my system at home, XP Pro, set to notify & download but not install. There was a new icon, a green shield and a pop-up text message stating that an updated had been installed and rebooted automagically
April 5th, 2006 at 10:10 pm
Jay Stuetelberg
I am experiencing this but a bit different, my computer is set just to notify not even download but it is downloading anyway. My laptop is doing the same. In fact it is doing it as I type this in. Quite annoying since I am on a very slow dial-up at the current time. “out in the sticks” Laptop is pro and desktop is home.
April 13th, 2006 at 3:08 am
fred
I usually set winupdate to ask BEFORE download and i think it was at the moment that’s happened, a patch that i suppose is the wmf one installed under my eyes, but i don’t remember if a reboot was forced or only asked.
Another pc that i keep intentionally with wrong dates didn’t downloaded the patch and i installed it manually with other patches periodically selected and downloaded.
After other suspect actitivy i added two scripts that changes with a click the gateway and dns to allow only that pc to move on local network only or use the router too.
Actually i didn’t find nothing.
April 26th, 2006 at 2:37 am
Jacob Balazer
It happened to me this morning shortly after 3 am: my PC running Windows XP w/ service pack 2 prompted me to reboot for automatic updates with a 5-minute count-down timer. I immediatly checked to make sure that automatic updates were set to “Download updates for me, but let me choose when to install them” as I thought I had set it, and indeed it was. Either there is a bug somewhere, or Microsoft has chosen to violate my policy.
April 26th, 2006 at 6:30 am
Becky
2 computers had automatic updates configured to ‘let me chooose when to install’ but yet when I come to work this morning I see that both have been rebooted and a hotfix had been applied. I had a customer call 2 weeks ago that their Windows 2000 system rebooted for the same reason. Our customers need their Win2k based IVR systems up 24 hours a day to handle calls-when the system is to be rebooted they must divert the calls-when Windows reboots on its own they have no notice nor choice as the systems are in an unattended server room. This is crap-
227fJune 16th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
anonymous
yeah just got me this morning, not sure what got patched yet but it’s telling me to reboot because of updates. I even told zonealarm to block the traffic when i saw it today.
June 21st, 2006 at 7:56 am
Phillip Walker
I Haven’t used Automatic Update For Some Time Now… which makes me even angered as I explain too you guys what had happened to me tonight. I’ve been developing software on my local machine for the past few days for my company and frankly, don’t see any need to constantly save for many hours at a time for two very valid reasons. First, i’ve never lost work before due to some electricity problem or mechanical failure or anything (i use a labtop) and secondly, If your a programmer like me, you can probably understand that because the IDE usually saves your documents upon building your sources, the thought of manually ’saving’ a document in this environment doesn’t even occur to me. Anyhow…, After Going online today around 5:00PM using iexplorer, something strange happened. I was redirected to Microsoft web page without my consent or any kind of choice in the matter. I’m thinking, “OK, its been awhile since I’ve got updates and no harm done” so I downloaded the recommended critical updates, which installed, in which case i then resume coding without twice about what had just happened. Later On that night (or this morning 2:00AM) I decided to take a break from coding and went to stretch and stuff. Upon My returning to my labtop, I find an Unfamiliar Dialog on my screen from “automatic update”. It stated it was going to reboot my machine in 3 seconds. At first I, was frozen in fear because as i mentioned earlier, i had alot of unsaved source code which i had been working on for many hours. As The Ticker hit zero, I began reflecting on previous incidents in which software initiated this kind of administrative event and for a moment, was feeling better… I mean, come on, they would not just simply ignore an administrators (or for that matter any user) choice and/or consent and forcefully initiate one of the most damaging, sacred and personal functions our computers right? I mean, this update is not so important that if the computer doesn’t restart, impending doom will thus occur and most ironically, the fact that half of these HotFix’ and ‘critical updates’ were constantly burdened with having to download are to prevent people from doing these kind of things in the first place so hypocritical…. ?????? Well BE WARNED!!!! This Automatic Update Utility VERY COLDLY Reset My Machine Regardless Of ANYTHING I Did To Prevent it. Feeling VIOLATED, while standing there in absolute disbelief as all my hours of work simply went bye-bye, all i could was hold that tear from falling from my eye. Then Came the Rage And incidentally, this comment. Ok, sure, just change the pertinent settings to prevent this but for those of you who never had a reason to do this before (such as me) in which case you wouldn’t really know about these settings, DO IT!!!. My work is gone and now i have to try and explain to my employer why my release date has to be proponed.THANKS ALOT MICROSOFT. Before today, I’ve never felt passionate enough about anything to spend the time and write something of this nature. This is how violated you will feel if it happens to you. The single most important Question that keeps coming to my mind is What was so important that they would completely ignore and disregard the standard unsaved document failsafe mechanism. Well, In the end only the user will suffers for an update of which I’ve not seen any spectacular performance increases or improved functionality or nothing. It runs and looks exactly as it did last week, a month, a year ago. Absolutely unacceptable.
August 10th, 2006 at 8:12 am
Deepak
Yes, my Win XP SP2 PC rebooted itself too, and I lost a lot of file transfers that were in progress. Nowhere near as bad as what happened to Philip Walker (my heart goes out to you dude), but still COMPLETELY unacceptable.
And people wonder why people hate Micro$$$$$oft ?!! Linux champions, heck, BSD and Mac OS X fans too, should pounce on this opportunity to drive nails into the coffin of the retarded Redmond giant.
August 16th, 2006 at 12:36 pm
DrC
I have 3 dedicated servers running win2k3 sp1. Almost EVERY month when it is update time I find my servers rebooted. I have set the damned policies to NOT reboot since I log on at night and check if a reboot is needed. But it keeps installing/rebooting whenever it feels like! I think I’ll just disable the damned services and do it the good ol’ way.
Enterprise my a$$…
August 16th, 2006 at 2:29 pm
Warren
Seems my AutoUpdate settings were reset to being fully auto.
Is this due to Microsoft’s wanting to know if all users’ software is legit? Or Homeland security?
What would reset the autoupdate settings?
Grrr….
September 5th, 2006 at 10:47 am
Kue
Can microsoft turn your computer on when you turn it off?
That’s the question I wondering about if anyone feel the same way. I’m a PC Technician in a small size business. I keep all the computer up to date with patches and hotfixes from microsoft website and have the automatic update schedule to get update everyday at a certain time. There’s has been cases that I walk away from the computer and when I return it log me out. When I log back in everythig was lost, thankfully I don’t have any thing runing that need to be save. Recently one of my user getting “Computer rebooted because security updates were installed” when she turn the computer on in the morning. Again, the computer is schedule to get update during the day at a certain time. At the end of the day the computer was turn off, no prompt about any update that need to be install. I have only see when you log off or shut down the computer at night and prompt if you want to install the update before shut off. Her station has all the patches and hotfixes including the new release patches and hotfixe. At first I didn’t think too much of it, than again is my job to make sure that all the computer working propertly and keep all the user happy. There’s not much to search into why she get the message in the morning when she shut the computer off at night.
So I wonder, if the computer was turn off, how is it able to turn itself on, install the update, rebooted, and power itself off? Oh yea one more thing the log me off when I walk away from the computer…is still a mystery. Nothing in the screen saver that could of cause it.
Something in the patches microsoft don’t want anyone to know perhaps?
gg microsoft grrrr.
2090September 18th, 2006 at 5:27 pm
Ryan
Kue… for a computer technician you should be able to answer your own questions.
Check your Windows Update settings and you will notice the allowed download and install dates.
Again, as a technician, you should realize that windows can tell how long the computer has been idle for and it may decide that it is an appropriate time to update.
All of these update issues can be solved through KB articles related to update settings, registry settings, etc.
If you’re all intelligent people then learn from this.
I probably don’t have to reiterate this, but Windows is severely pirated.
So what can MS do? well they force an update to your XP machine which causes a device driver failure. The screen will go black at random times on non-genuine machines and the computer will become non-responsive until it is rebooted. If you phone MS with this problem they can blame it on ‘it doesn’t work because it’s not genuine’.
It’s a smart solution to the mass pirating of their product.
And to be honest, Windows is an excellent platform for end-users, businesses, and servers.
The only downside to MS is 1: security holes, which are no doubt found due to it’s popularity; and 2: Price. The price of Windows OS’s is rather extreme for the average middle-class person (whether it be europe or north america).
I’ve honestly pirated software for my entire life. But I don’t blame MS when they have to use auto updates to force me to buy their product. I laugh, walk to the store and spend $150 on XP. Not a big deal.
Also keep in mind that auto-updates could be crucial. Remember back to the RPC holes? Of course you all can. I wish automatic update saved me then. It’s also nice to know that you can update via an install of XP with SP2 as well. So instead of getting RPC’d right when you get into windows for the first time, you can download and install security patches before even logging on for the first time.
Microsoft is Brilliant. And every now and then you have to understand that software glitches will be imminent and that business decisions will be made to protect their business and profitability, which in turn also protects you as the consumer. Driving profit drives better software.
I think you all catch my drift.
Live and learn. It’s not like their killing babies.
October 26th, 2006 at 4:26 pm
HELP
would some one tell me how to do it without permission pleez???
November 26th, 2006 at 8:26 am
Ray
I generally could be considered a microsoftie, I program for living microsoft solution, lately I have been reconsidering my options, at more then one occasion I lost my work because of this and I say toppel this evil empire!
October 10th, 2007 at 10:19 pm
theman
I agree. This Microsoft restricts our choices. It’s freakily Orwellian. On the outside, it seems we’re about to choose, however, it seems like when I go to bed, Microsoft is calling the shots on my computer. I think maybe we could relent and install the updates, or, after each time we use the PC, we could turn off the internet. But for some of us, the computer runs for eternity.
I’m also angry at Microsoft for stealing the Tabs idea from Mozilla Firefox. It’s evil. So evil. But I also like Halo 3 and its plot very much.
But I’m very angry at Microsoft’s over-paternalistic way of caring for consumers. Sure, it’s for our own good, but we, as consumers, should have a right to choose. I want to be able to choose to install, and not have the system provide me with a Hobson’s choice on whether I should install the updates or not.
Cheers to all.
If we unite, our voices will be heard.
October 28th, 2007 at 11:59 pm
SnowLeopard
My computer did this to me as well, however the strangest thing is that while my desktop (running WUAU in ‘download but do not install’ mode) rebooted itself and gave that annoying message about being restarted, my “server” (loosely used term: XP machine in a cupboard used for file shares) did not, despite the settings being ‘download and install automatically at 3AM daily’.
I now have a scheduled task on my desktop … Every hour, run “net stop wuauserv” … and one at 3:05AM to “net start wuauserv” … since that autorestart message seems to take longer than an hour to become persistent (and shut down regardless).
That command (net stop wuauserv) is very handy for removing the ‘Updates installed. M$ requests you to bow down and reboot NOW’ box … especially when the ‘Restart Later’ button really means ‘Nag me again in 5 mins’ … The service will not start by itself again until the next ‘checking for updates’ run happens (usually daily).
March 13th, 2009 at 1:40 am
MuohioStudent
I confirm that this has occurred. I have my automatic updates set to “Notify me but don’t automatically download or install them.” I watched windows update in the bottom right corner as it showed “downloading updates”. It did this without ANY consent from me. I wouldn’t have even known about it if I wouldn’t have happened to see the little yellow alert box. Right after I noticed it, I immediately re-checked my automatic update policy. It still said “Notify me but don’t automatically download or install them.” Of course, that is what lead me to this article. Now, when i go to shutdown my computer, it is saying “Install updates and shut down”. I do have the option to just “shut down” without installing (at least that is an option - who knows what it will actually do). And by the way, I am running as Administrator.
I don’t know about you guys, but I think this is scary as hell. I can’t believe Microsoft would do that.
Windows Server 2003 R2
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