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	<title>Comments on: Now Go Daddy&#8217;s Accused of Astroturfing</title>
	<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/01/24/other_aachaddgee_ae/</link>
	<description>Spam, Security, Privacy, Spyware, Phishing &#038; Viruses from the Front Lines.</description>
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		<title>by: Hawthorn</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/01/24/other_aachaddgee_ae/#comment-1670</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Regardless of the virtues or vices of the people involved, this is a good example of why you don't use a bargain basement domain service for mission critical applications.

Pick the ten biggest companies you can think of and do a WHOIS for their domains.  You'll mostly see the same three or four registrars.  Those are the ones to use if you resell or host customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the virtues or vices of the people involved, this is a good example of why you don&#8217;t use a bargain basement domain service for mission critical applications.</p>
<p>Pick the ten biggest companies you can think of and do a WHOIS for their domains.  You&#8217;ll mostly see the same three or four registrars.  Those are the ones to use if you resell or host customers.
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		<title>by: Not Your Go Daddy</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/01/24/other_aachaddgee_ae/#comment-432</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I beg to disagree. When you call a call center and start yelling a "whole data center" is offline because of you, at least in the internet business, you infer something large. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; Mark Perkel maligned? Please. Read his blog site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to disagree. When you call a call center and start yelling a &#8220;whole data center&#8221; is offline because of you, at least in the internet business, you infer something large. </p>
<p> Mark Perkel maligned? Please. Read his blog site.
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		<title>by: BJ Gillette</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/01/24/other_aachaddgee_ae/#comment-431</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/01/24/other_aachaddgee_ae/#comment-431</guid>
					<description>@Not Your Go Daddy. "Er, they are in someone elses colo. They rent racks. They don't own it ... You can put 600 domains on 1 box appropriately sized so please, show me a photo of this huge datacenter."&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; This canard has been posted on every forum that has carried the discussion.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; Whatis glossary: A data center is a centralized repository, either physical or virtual ... every organization has a data center, although it might be referred to as a server room or even a computer closet. (http:// searchwebservices.techtarget.com/ gDefinition/ 0,294236,sid26_gci332661,00.html)&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; It does not matter if DataTECH's 600 server data center is housed in a 1u, 42u, cage, garage or warehouse. A data center is defined by its function, not size. &lt;br&gt; ---&lt;br&gt; "Mariani ... knows that porn sites are spammers on top of many other things. Just because they aren't doing it from there, doesn't mean he isn't helping them."&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; Insults and innuendo are not particularly enlightening or persuasive. If you are pursuing balance and accuracy, please run a search wherein the search string contains the registrar's name and "porn." There are no choir boys in this case.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; Having said that, Go Daddy, NectarTECH and Marc Perkel have *all* been unfairly maligned, as many claims and charges made on the forums have been incorrect, one-sided, exaggerated, or flat out lies. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; On the other hand, Email Battles readers were able to draw conclusions based on carefully researched facts without the emotional baggage. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; And lessons have indeed been learned by all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Not Your Go Daddy. &#8220;Er, they are in someone elses colo. They rent racks. They don&#8217;t own it &#8230; You can put 600 domains on 1 box appropriately sized so please, show me a photo of this huge datacenter.&#8221;</p>
<p> This canard has been posted on every forum that has carried the discussion.</p>
<p> Whatis glossary: A data center is a centralized repository, either physical or virtual &#8230; every organization has a data center, although it might be referred to as a server room or even a computer closet. (http:// searchwebservices.techtarget.com/ gDefinition/ 0,294236,sid26_gci332661,00.html)</p>
<p> It does not matter if DataTECH&#8217;s 600 server data center is housed in a 1u, 42u, cage, garage or warehouse. A data center is defined by its function, not size. <br /> &#8212;<br /> &#8220;Mariani &#8230; knows that porn sites are spammers on top of many other things. Just because they aren&#8217;t doing it from there, doesn&#8217;t mean he isn&#8217;t helping them.&#8221;</p>
<p> Insults and innuendo are not particularly enlightening or persuasive. If you are pursuing balance and accuracy, please run a search wherein the search string contains the registrar&#8217;s name and &#8220;porn.&#8221; There are no choir boys in this case.</p>
<p> Having said that, Go Daddy, NectarTECH and Marc Perkel have *all* been unfairly maligned, as many claims and charges made on the forums have been incorrect, one-sided, exaggerated, or flat out lies. </p>
<p> On the other hand, Email Battles readers were able to draw conclusions based on carefully researched facts without the emotional baggage. </p>
<p> And lessons have indeed been learned by all.
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		<title>by: Not Your Go Daddy</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/01/24/other_aachaddgee_ae/#comment-430</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This would've been far more interesting without Perkel involved from the technical perspective. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; There was a long thread about it on NANOG. There is definately a trust issue to be raised here as to viability of the story, but let's start with:&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; - 600 server datacenter&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; Er, they are in someone elses colo.  They rent racks. They don't own it. Let's be truthful and explain "Nectars' pr0n customers were flipping out". You can put 600 domains on 1 box appropriately sized so please, show me a photo of this huge datacenter.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; Mark Perkel is no Internet genius. He's a parasite. GoDaddy said they had the email to respond to 24? hours before they did that they could have made their choice and moved or reinstated. Why didn't they just "click the button"? I didn't see any proof that GoDaddy had not done this.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; I don't believe Perkel re: his blog since he's basically an untrusted character so that throws a doubt on the whole thing, IMHO.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; I do think Go Daddy was wrong if it's true that they had 24/7 support and didn't provide it.  &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; Let's get real. Mariani could have had a secondary registered elsewhere, and, he knows that porn sites are spammers on top of many other things. Just because they aren't doing it from there, doesn't mean he isn't helping them. Food for thought and look forward to an intelligent, perhaps someone trusted?, response.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; It's a $9 dollar domain registration for a "huge datacenter". Stupidity isn't Go Daddy's fault.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would&#8217;ve been far more interesting without Perkel involved from the technical perspective. </p>
<p> There was a long thread about it on NANOG. There is definately a trust issue to be raised here as to viability of the story, but let&#8217;s start with:</p>
<p> - 600 server datacenter</p>
<p> Er, they are in someone elses colo.  They rent racks. They don&#8217;t own it. Let&#8217;s be truthful and explain &#8220;Nectars&#8217; pr0n customers were flipping out&#8221;. You can put 600 domains on 1 box appropriately sized so please, show me a photo of this huge datacenter.</p>
<p> Mark Perkel is no Internet genius. He&#8217;s a parasite. GoDaddy said they had the email to respond to 24? hours before they did that they could have made their choice and moved or reinstated. Why didn&#8217;t they just &#8220;click the button&#8221;? I didn&#8217;t see any proof that GoDaddy had not done this.</p>
<p> I don&#8217;t believe Perkel re: his blog since he&#8217;s basically an untrusted character so that throws a doubt on the whole thing, IMHO.</p>
<p> I do think Go Daddy was wrong if it&#8217;s true that they had 24/7 support and didn&#8217;t provide it.  </p>
<p> Let&#8217;s get real. Mariani could have had a secondary registered elsewhere, and, he knows that porn sites are spammers on top of many other things. Just because they aren&#8217;t doing it from there, doesn&#8217;t mean he isn&#8217;t helping them. Food for thought and look forward to an intelligent, perhaps someone trusted?, response.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s a $9 dollar domain registration for a &#8220;huge datacenter&#8221;. Stupidity isn&#8217;t Go Daddy&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p> Thanks!
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		<title>by: BJ Gillette</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/01/24/other_aachaddgee_ae/#comment-429</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>1. Agreed.&lt;br&gt; 2. Agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Agreed.<br /> 2. Agreed.
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		<title>by: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/01/24/other_aachaddgee_ae/#comment-428</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 14:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>whois -h whois.arin.net 64.202.160.161&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; OrgName:    Go Daddy Software, Inc.&lt;br&gt; OrgID:      GDS-31&lt;br&gt; Address:    14455 N Hayden Road&lt;br&gt; Address:    Suite 226&lt;br&gt; City:       Scottsdale&lt;br&gt; StateProv:  AZ&lt;br&gt; PostalCode: 85260&lt;br&gt; Country:    US&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; NetRange:   64.202.160.0 - 64.202.191.255&lt;br&gt; CIDR:       64.202.160.0/19&lt;br&gt; NetName:    GO-DADDY-SOFTWARE-INC&lt;br&gt; NetHandle:  NET-64-202-160-0-1&lt;br&gt; Parent:     NET-64-0-0-0-0&lt;br&gt; NetType:    Direct Allocation&lt;br&gt; NameServer: CNS1.SECURESERVER.NET&lt;br&gt; NameServer: CNS2.SECURESERVER.NET&lt;br&gt; Comment:&lt;br&gt; RegDate:    2002-10-22&lt;br&gt; Updated:    2004-05-24&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; RAbuseHandle: ABUSE51-ARIN&lt;br&gt; RAbuseName:   Abuse Department&lt;br&gt; RAbusePhone:  +1-480-505-8809&lt;br&gt; RAbuseEmail:  abuse@godaddy.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whois -h whois.arin.net 64.202.160.161</p>
<p> OrgName:    Go Daddy Software, Inc.<br /> OrgID:      GDS-31<br /> Address:    14455 N Hayden Road<br /> Address:    Suite 226<br /> City:       Scottsdale<br /> StateProv:  AZ<br /> PostalCode: 85260<br /> Country:    US</p>
<p> NetRange:   64.202.160.0 - 64.202.191.255<br /> CIDR:       64.202.160.0/19<br /> NetName:    GO-DADDY-SOFTWARE-INC<br /> NetHandle:  NET-64-202-160-0-1<br /> Parent:     NET-64-0-0-0-0<br /> NetType:    Direct Allocation<br /> NameServer: CNS1.SECURESERVER.NET<br /> NameServer: CNS2.SECURESERVER.NET<br /> Comment:<br /> RegDate:    2002-10-22<br /> Updated:    2004-05-24</p>
<p> RAbuseHandle: ABUSE51-ARIN<br /> RAbuseName:   Abuse Department<br /> RAbusePhone:  +1-480-505-8809<br /> RAbuseEmail:  <a href="mailto:abuse@godaddy.com">abuse@godaddy.com</a>
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		<title>by: guy</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/01/24/other_aachaddgee_ae/#comment-427</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sounds like GoDaddy needs to get control of their people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like GoDaddy needs to get control of their people.
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