The initial message caught our attention:
At one point I had thought the Go Daddy’s abuse dept was virus infected, but later figured out it wasn’t. But their employees were leaving really nasty messages on my blog…
In recent years other larger tech companies have been caught trying to make a fake grassroots effort look like the real thing, a.k.a., astroturfing. If true, Marc Perkel’s charge could prove to be a costly PR stumble for the domain name registrar.
Perkel’s followup message to Email Battles included a couple of email attachments and a note:
When someone leaves a comment I get an email that indicates the IP address that the commenter was at. It’s also in my HTTP logs. It’s solid.
Perkel is an interested party in a dispute between Internet registrar Go Daddy, and a 600-server data center, NectarTECH. The dispute has at times been quite acrimonious, leading at one point to the suspension of NectarTECH’s domain name.
Email Battles built a clarifying timeline for the issues, and has subsequently kept an eye on the contest, as flame wars broke out at Broadband Reports, WebHostingTalk and DNforum.
With the arrival of the attachments, it appears the battle has entered a new phase. Perkel claims he received these comments on his personal blog, Marc Perkel Rantz:
- Hey dick the guy from go daddy that you recorded got fired all because your can’t figure out your own computer. Duma**es like you should just not use them. You ARE totally wrong but hey tell that to his kids. F***in loser your sight is a piece of sh*t too. I bet you just sit there alone f***in around on the internet all night cause you have nothing else to do with your life. Why don’t you eat sh*t and die
- Hey d***less if your so smart why the f*** are you calling tech support. Why don’t you go fix all your duma** problems and not call in act like and idiot and then recording people and getting them fired. Son of a b***h. I hope you feel really smart. Lets hope you and I never meet. I got your picture a**hole.
- I listened to the call. I under stand the issue, and how mistakes on both side were made. I see that communication on both sides were not what they should have been, but to say that an entire company should be judged by one or two peoples actions is not right. Things could have been taken care better, but I have seen worse from hundreds of other companies, and they still are great places to do business. Treat people the way you want to be treated. I hope everything is now up and running. You have a very interesting site.
Three identities, yet two appear to be penned by the same academic, while the third was likely written by a human. But all three originated from the same IP address, 64.202.160.161, over a seven hour period.
“I think it is likely that the IP address represents an office NAT address,” Perkel surmised, “so that anyone surfing from that office would show up as the same IP address.”
Perkel believes the comments are an example of astroturfing. “Go Daddy employees are posing as consumers to disparage me and NT and in favor of Go Daddy,” he says, “Some of the HTTP referers indicate that people clicked on company email links to my blog. But I can’t say that Go Daddy orchestrated it or if it was just the night crew. It’s possible that Go Daddy employees decided to do this on their own.”
Nevertheless, he holds Go Daddy responsible, “The company Go Daddy is always responsible for the acts of their employees even if they don’t know about it.”
Go Daddy VP, Elizabeth Driscoll, responds that the registrar is investigating Perkel’s astroturfing claim. Among other things, she told Email Battles she will try to confirm the physical location of the IP address in question.
As for the firing mentioned by the commenter, company policy prevents Driscoll from directly responding. But she can say that Go Daddy Spam and Abuse staff was available throughout the suspension of NectarTECH’s account, covered in a previous Email Battles report, yet was not consulted by Go Daddy Tech Support staff. And that won’t happen again.
Some posters on other sites are dubious of Perkel’s charges. RossH on WebHostingTalk says: “Maybe they are acting in conjunction with the NSA to take you down so you don’t expose the conspiracy of the NWO … You obviously pissed off some godaddy staff members …”
So where do we go from here? Even if the IP address in question turns out to be a Go Daddy NAT router, this appears to be the act of a lone gunman, spotlighting yet another Go Daddy human resources snafu.
It does, however, serve as a reminder that, when you’re gulping input on the web, you shouldn’t swallow everything you read.
Grain of salt, baby. Grain of salt.
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January 25th, 2006 at 1:04 pm
guy
Sounds like GoDaddy needs to get control of their people.
January 25th, 2006 at 2:40 pm
Mike
whois -h whois.arin.net 64.202.160.161
OrgName: Go Daddy Software, Inc.
OrgID: GDS-31
Address: 14455 N Hayden Road
Address: Suite 226
City: Scottsdale
StateProv: AZ
PostalCode: 85260
Country: US
NetRange: 64.202.160.0 - 64.202.191.255
CIDR: 64.202.160.0/19
NetName: GO-DADDY-SOFTWARE-INC
NetHandle: NET-64-202-160-0-1
Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: CNS1.SECURESERVER.NET
NameServer: CNS2.SECURESERVER.NET
Comment:
RegDate: 2002-10-22
Updated: 2004-05-24
RAbuseHandle: ABUSE51-ARIN
RAbuseName: Abuse Department
RAbusePhone: +1-480-505-8809
RAbuseEmail: abuse@godaddy.com
January 25th, 2006 at 3:01 pm
BJ Gillette
1. Agreed.
2. Agreed.
January 27th, 2006 at 1:56 pm
Not Your Go Daddy
This would’ve been far more interesting without Perkel involved from the technical perspective.
There was a long thread about it on NANOG. There is definately a trust issue to be raised here as to viability of the story, but let’s start with:
- 600 server datacenter
Er, they are in someone elses colo. They rent racks. They don’t own it. Let’s be truthful and explain “Nectars’ pr0n customers were flipping out”. You can put 600 domains on 1 box appropriately sized so please, show me a photo of this huge datacenter.
Mark Perkel is no Internet genius. He’s a parasite. GoDaddy said they had the email to respond to 24? hours before they did that they could have made their choice and moved or reinstated. Why didn’t they just “click the button”? I didn’t see any proof that GoDaddy had not done this.
I don’t believe Perkel re: his blog since he’s basically an untrusted character so that throws a doubt on the whole thing, IMHO.
I do think Go Daddy was wrong if it’s true that they had 24/7 support and didn’t provide it.
Let’s get real. Mariani could have had a secondary registered elsewhere, and, he knows that porn sites are spammers on top of many other things. Just because they aren’t doing it from there, doesn’t mean he isn’t helping them. Food for thought and look forward to an intelligent, perhaps someone trusted?, response.
It’s a $9 dollar domain registration for a “huge datacenter”. Stupidity isn’t Go Daddy’s fault.
Thanks!
January 27th, 2006 at 11:57 pm
BJ Gillette
@Not Your Go Daddy. “Er, they are in someone elses colo. They rent racks. They don’t own it … You can put 600 domains on 1 box appropriately sized so please, show me a photo of this huge datacenter.”
This canard has been posted on every forum that has carried the discussion.
Whatis glossary: A data center is a centralized repository, either physical or virtual … every organization has a data center, although it might be referred to as a server room or even a computer closet. (http:// searchwebservices.techtarget.com/ gDefinition/ 0,294236,sid26_gci332661,00.html)
It does not matter if DataTECH’s 600 server data center is housed in a 1u, 42u, cage, garage or warehouse. A data center is defined by its function, not size.
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“Mariani … knows that porn sites are spammers on top of many other things. Just because they aren’t doing it from there, doesn’t mean he isn’t helping them.”
Insults and innuendo are not particularly enlightening or persuasive. If you are pursuing balance and accuracy, please run a search wherein the search string contains the registrar’s name and “porn.” There are no choir boys in this case.
Having said that, Go Daddy, NectarTECH and Marc Perkel have *all* been unfairly maligned, as many claims and charges made on the forums have been incorrect, one-sided, exaggerated, or flat out lies.
On the other hand, Email Battles readers were able to draw conclusions based on carefully researched facts without the emotional baggage.
And lessons have indeed been learned by all.
January 28th, 2006 at 9:35 am
Not Your Go Daddy
I beg to disagree. When you call a call center and start yelling a “whole data center” is offline because of you, at least in the internet business, you infer something large.
Mark Perkel maligned? Please. Read his blog site.
January 26th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
Hawthorn
Regardless of the virtues or vices of the people involved, this is a good example of why you don’t use a bargain basement domain service for mission critical applications.
Pick the ten biggest companies you can think of and do a WHOIS for their domains. You’ll mostly see the same three or four registrars. Those are the ones to use if you resell or host customers.