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	<title>Comments on: p2p Shriekers Force Network Lock-Downs</title>
	<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2005/11/14/security_aacagdgjec_i/</link>
	<description>Spam, Security, Privacy, Spyware, Phishing &#038; Viruses from the Front Lines.</description>
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		<title>by: Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2005/11/14/security_aacagdgjec_i/#comment-143</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Amen. Bob, the only daylight between us is in the interpretation of the BEUC statements.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; We read their words literally... and believe that they mean precisely what they say. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; As for the Sony BMG debacle, we hope to shed more light this afternoon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen. Bob, the only daylight between us is in the interpretation of the BEUC statements.</p>
<p> We read their words literally&#8230; and believe that they mean precisely what they say. </p>
<p> As for the Sony BMG debacle, we hope to shed more light this afternoon.
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		<title>by: Bob Halloran</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2005/11/14/security_aacagdgjec_i/#comment-142</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>OK, mea maxima culpa on the second comment.  I was feeling a bit heated on the matter given the Sony crapfest going on.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; The BEUC comments, though, boil down to what I'd said in the first comment: if you buy it, it's yours, not "licensed" from Media Inc.  I should be able to enjoy the music on my various hardware without the presumption of infringement.   Embedding spyware, rootkits, etc. and generally fscking up my system on the chance I might put their precious music out on eDonkey isn't acceptable.  Go after the infringers with everything, yes.  Don't cripple *my* CDs assuming I'm one of them.  Points to the CA &#038; NY AG's for threatening Sony with lawsuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, mea maxima culpa on the second comment.  I was feeling a bit heated on the matter given the Sony crapfest going on.</p>
<p> The BEUC comments, though, boil down to what I&#8217;d said in the first comment: if you buy it, it&#8217;s yours, not &#8220;licensed&#8221; from Media Inc.  I should be able to enjoy the music on my various hardware without the presumption of infringement.   Embedding spyware, rootkits, etc. and generally fscking up my system on the chance I might put their precious music out on eDonkey isn&#8217;t acceptable.  Go after the infringers with everything, yes.  Don&#8217;t cripple *my* CDs assuming I&#8217;m one of them.  Points to the CA &#038; NY AG&#8217;s for threatening Sony with lawsuits.
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		<title>by: Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2005/11/14/security_aacagdgjec_i/#comment-141</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>We were 100% in agreement till you got to the cheap "plug"-shot. As the majority of the discussion covered GPL software, we're baffled by the suggestion that we're being paid for a plug.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; Those who read Email Battles regularly are well versed in our iconoclastic views. For those who don't know us, a quick clue: Check the headline sidebars. Internally, we refer to them as "headline haiku"... editorial comment in one line.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; We will defend to the death your right (and ours) to rip, bend, shake, stir, give away, or even sell anything you own.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; In addition, you have the right to buy products with the full expectation that the manufacturer isn't embedding them with nasties.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; The article covers a consumer group's official statement that appears to us to condone wide distribution without payment of materials that cost others millions to create. Whether BEUC is right or wrong is somewhat academic to network managers. They still have to deal with the foo. Many consumers have already jumped on this bandwagon; thus, network managers are finding themselves hamstrung between the need to maintain network integrity while avoiding unhappy users and noxious lawsuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were 100% in agreement till you got to the cheap &#8220;plug&#8221;-shot. As the majority of the discussion covered GPL software, we&#8217;re baffled by the suggestion that we&#8217;re being paid for a plug.</p>
<p> Those who read Email Battles regularly are well versed in our iconoclastic views. For those who don&#8217;t know us, a quick clue: Check the headline sidebars. Internally, we refer to them as &#8220;headline haiku&#8221;&#8230; editorial comment in one line.</p>
<p> We will defend to the death your right (and ours) to rip, bend, shake, stir, give away, or even sell anything you own.</p>
<p> In addition, you have the right to buy products with the full expectation that the manufacturer isn&#8217;t embedding them with nasties.</p>
<p> The article covers a consumer group&#8217;s official statement that appears to us to condone wide distribution without payment of materials that cost others millions to create. Whether BEUC is right or wrong is somewhat academic to network managers. They still have to deal with the foo. Many consumers have already jumped on this bandwagon; thus, network managers are finding themselves hamstrung between the need to maintain network integrity while avoiding unhappy users and noxious lawsuits.
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		<title>by: Bob Halloran</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2005/11/14/security_aacagdgjec_i/#comment-140</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The bulk of this article seems to be plugs for ISP monitoring tools vs. any sort of discussion of the issues of P2P.  Previous comment says my take on the latter.  How much are the tool vendors passing you for the plug?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bulk of this article seems to be plugs for ISP monitoring tools vs. any sort of discussion of the issues of P2P.  Previous comment says my take on the latter.  How much are the tool vendors passing you for the plug?
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		<title>by: Bob Halloran</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2005/11/14/security_aacagdgjec_i/#comment-139</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The recent problems with Sony's CDs installing Windows rootkits, which black hats are then exploiting, says it all.  I should be able to rip the tracks on a CD I  legitimately bought to my MP3 player without having my PC broken because the music company assumes I'm going to broadcast it all to the 'Net.  Their rights to protect their content vs. my rights to a secure system?  No contest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recent problems with Sony&#8217;s CDs installing Windows rootkits, which black hats are then exploiting, says it all.  I should be able to rip the tracks on a CD I  legitimately bought to my MP3 player without having my PC broken because the music company assumes I&#8217;m going to broadcast it all to the &#8216;Net.  Their rights to protect their content vs. my rights to a secure system?  No contest.
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		<title>by: mr. man</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2005/11/14/security_aacagdgjec_i/#comment-138</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"Tell Daddy again why you were forced to steal that comic book."&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; how can you steal a product that doesn't exist? a computer file is not a physical product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tell Daddy again why you were forced to steal that comic book.&#8221;</p>
<p> how can you steal a product that doesn&#8217;t exist? a computer file is not a physical product.
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		<title>by: cartman</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2005/11/14/security_aacagdgjec_i/#comment-137</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bandwidth hogs??? Call a spade a spade. Spoiled brats  rationalizing thievery. Tell Daddy again why you were forced to steal that comic book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bandwidth hogs??? Call a spade a spade. Spoiled brats  rationalizing thievery. Tell Daddy again why you were forced to steal that comic book.
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		<title>by: Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2005/11/14/security_aacagdgjec_i/#comment-136</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This discussion has many facets beyond the friction between ISPs and subscribers they consider to be illegal bandwidth hogs. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; For many network managers... especially those in government and business... concerns include illegal transfer of copyrighted material, like Star Wars movies, and the resulting excessive bandwidth consumption. (Yes, they often do go together.)&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; We're all for legal data exchange on those networks that agree to it. But our position appears to directly conflict with the BEUC's whenever, whatever concept.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; If you care to bring yourself up to date on all sides of the subject, please don't hesitate to click the links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion has many facets beyond the friction between ISPs and subscribers they consider to be illegal bandwidth hogs. </p>
<p> For many network managers&#8230; especially those in government and business&#8230; concerns include illegal transfer of copyrighted material, like Star Wars movies, and the resulting excessive bandwidth consumption. (Yes, they often do go together.)</p>
<p> We&#8217;re all for legal data exchange on those networks that agree to it. But our position appears to directly conflict with the BEUC&#8217;s whenever, whatever concept.</p>
<p> If you care to bring yourself up to date on all sides of the subject, please don&#8217;t hesitate to click the links.
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		<title>by: LJ</title>
		<link>http://www.emailbattles.com/2005/11/14/security_aacagdgjec_i/#comment-135</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.emailbattles.com/2005/11/14/security_aacagdgjec_i/#comment-135</guid>
					<description>Dumb article - it's ridiculously written. Somehow the author starts at "users argue for more digital rights" and uses that as a premise for suggesting traffic control. &lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; Idiot - traffic control is logically precipitated by bandwidth concerns, not by the rights of users. The course of action advised by the article is repressive - complain and you'll be punished. ISPs with such attitudes will find their only bandwidth increase coming in the form of large numbers of their customers switching to other providers.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt; Where does this writer live, Myanmar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumb article - it&#8217;s ridiculously written. Somehow the author starts at &#8220;users argue for more digital rights&#8221; and uses that as a premise for suggesting traffic control. </p>
<p> Idiot - traffic control is logically precipitated by bandwidth concerns, not by the rights of users. The course of action advised by the article is repressive - complain and you&#8217;ll be punished. ISPs with such attitudes will find their only bandwidth increase coming in the form of large numbers of their customers switching to other providers.</p>
<p> Where does this writer live, Myanmar?
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